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Tohzt

Don't strain your forehead raising that eyebrow...

Be proud of your incredibly petty complaint. But if a women is turned away from programming because she doesn't like the use of a fictional male figure in place of a fictional female ane, then she doesn't have the logical thinking skills to be interested in this field.

And to be honest, I doubt many women have a problem with what you're complaining about. They either want to learn about this topic, so they look into it. Or they don't, so they don't.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Haha. Your comment can create controversies.

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Tohzt

That's fine. Doesn't take much heat to melt a snowflake 🤷‍♂️

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temilola • Edited

As a woman it is your whole attitude Tohtz that makes working with a person like you not possible. I bet you when you work with women you set standards that you can't even meet. You think that by being a jerk you are being equitable and that you are tough. No you are not. In this case, there is nothing wrong with pointing out to include women. A lot of us like the fact that we are women especially in a field that was first mainly female. The only snowflake are boys like you who feel the need to pretend they know what women will be offended by. Asking for an honorable mention IS not a political offense.

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Tohzt

Congratulations on making assumptions so you have something to complain about. Tell me, what standards do I set for others that I can't meet myself?

If a women wants to read an article about tips on progressing with full-stack development, she would not be deterred because the title mentioned superman and not superwoman... It's rather petty to say otherwise, and quite a disrespectful statement about women.

Keep in mind, this is a topic within the context of programming. A paradigm that requires logical thinking. And bitching about the genitals in a fake clickbait superhero does not make for a logical train of thought.

I studied computer science with plenty of women. They were badass individuals who loved programming. Not really the type to let something this insignificant get in their way.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Yeah I agree on that man but what can we do with the people. They will keep poking their nose in irrelevant matters.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Ahan. That was not that much serious gal! I have included women too in the title. I have been working with Gals in the programming and one of them is my role model too.

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Ben Calder

Saeed: if you post articles that perpetuate the idea that the dev industry is the preserve of some special elite (or people aiming to be part of it): be it code bros'; superheros; ninjas; whatever... whether intentionally or not you are part of a problem. The fact that you are backing up someone making overtly misogynistic comments also doesn't do you any favours.

You're posting on a public forum; so expect people to "poke their nose in" when you cross a fairly obvious line. People are not simply trying to "prove you wrong"; they're trying to educate you.

If it's not obvious to you why, and you're not willing to learn from others, then take some responsibility and educate yourself. Find out why using diminutives ("girls", "gals" etc.) to talk about women - whilst you use superlatives to talk about a largely male contingent - has for some an exclusionary effect. Discover why humility, patience and understanding are far better personality traits to cultivate for a developer than striving to become a ninja, superhero fullstack dev.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Yeah that's completely okay and I appreciate that. I am not on anyone's side. I was just trying to justify that if I didn't include SUPERWOMAN in my title, that was not intentional. Hope you will try to understand my point as well. Now this discussion is completely out of context. My intention was to give beginners a list of tutorials and that's successful. If you can see I have also used the words SUPERWOMAN in the title and you can see my other comments too how I interact with women. So, you are correct in your stance too but I expect you to my understand my point as well.

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Tohzt

Ben, the only ones with the "overtly misogynistic comments" are the ones saying that women aren't capable of going after what they want unless there is a female mentioned in the title.. Your white-knighting and virtue-signaling are not only pathetic but disrespectful to women.

Bitch about something that's actually problematic. And have a bit more confidence in women. They are as capable as men in many ways. If something interests me, I'm not going to let the word 'princess' in the article header stop me. Nor will a woman who's interested in the content of this article be thwarted by the word 'superman'. Your petty nonsense helps no one. Your desire to believe that women are inferior is counter to the message you pretend to stand for.

Do better.

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Ben Calder

Tohzt. Where did I say that women aren't capable of going after what they want?
I'm just suggesting that we can make the industry more welcoming if we tone down the overtly macho language. If I'm being disrespectful to women by suggesting that then I'll apologise: but I want to hear it from an established member of this community and not someone who - from what I can see - joined with the sole intent of trolling this thread.

You said:

They are as capable as men in many ways.

So by implication you're saying that there are some ways in which women aren't as capable as men? That looks like an overtly misogynistic comment to me...

You can read a woman's view on this topic in Technically wrong; and there are plenty of other women rightly complaining about the male-centric language used in the dev community.

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Maxim

I like how they tagged this comment as non-constructive. Made my day

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lshem16

This is a pretty misogynistic attitude tbh.

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Tohzt

On the contrary. I think women are mature enough to look past such petty details. They wouldn't let something as benign as a fictional characters gender get in the way of them perusing their interests.

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lshem16

I am glad you feel confident speaking for how women should and will react to stuff.

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Tohzt

Are you suggesting they aren't as competent as I believe? Sounds pretty misogynistic to me...

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Noooo. Woman are great specially programmmer Gals!!!

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lshem16

FWIW your original title was fine, although "Superhero" would have probably side-stepped the whole thing. But troll dudes speaking on behalf of all women... Fuck that noise. Tech's got enough issues without codebros lifting their leg and peeing on everything.

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catalin560 • Edited

@lshem16 could you shut the fuck up...
I'm glad there are still people like @Tohzt that speak the truth and doesn't get offended by the mention of a character... maybe you don't want to be a Superman, that's okay, but don't you insult everybody else...
@lshem16 you're the troll here...

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Thanks bro. I don't know why people would assume things about people and ignore the context.