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Why I quit using Discord (and why you too should)

daksh777 profile image Daksh P. Jain Updated on ・4 min read

Back when I joined it back in 2017, I used to use Discord a lot. I had preferred Discord over Telegram for quite a long until now. Here's the reason why I (and probably you too should) quit using Discord.

Privacy

  • The program reportedly collects lots of data about users, from your IP address to every single message you send, be it in a DM or a server. You should read its privacy policy here if not already.

  • Every single thing you do in the app, is logged in an event containing your user ID, a unique event ID, a timestamp, and a very detailed description of what exactly you did.

  • Deleted messages and attachments are not actually deleted, they are deleted from the user's/client's side but they are accessible by cdn.discordapp.com links (attachments) and they are accessible by the Discord staff too (both deleted messages and attachments).

  • Also, you cannot use a VPN to use Discord whatsoever because as soon as you log in with a VPN connection and browse through the app, you will see this:
    Screenshot

Read a detailed explanation of the data being collected here.

Bad design practices

  • You cannot use the tab key to move around different sections, because it's been overridden to always focus the text field. Although there are various keyboard shortcuts, they are hard to remember and cannot replace the classic tab key experience.

  • Various parts of the app are light-themed, despite the "dark" mode which is not-so-dark:

    • The add server dialogue is always light themed. Add server
    • The server region selector is always light themed. Server region selector
    • The download apps screen is always light themed. Download apps screen
  • The new design for the mobile app is horrible and (almost) everyone hates it. Read more about it here.

Discord doesn't care about you

  • The discord staff doesn't care about you, especially if you are a big contributor to the app, for example, if you make Discord bots which benefits their platform but barely benefits you at all. You should read this blog which explains about the mess caused by the Discord bot verification system (or verified bot developer system).
    It basically requires you to send to Discord, who you are in real life by sending them a scanned copy of your passport otherwise, your bot won't be able to be added to more than 100 servers.

  • Also, Discord can decide it's time for you to leave their platform, at any point in time. Ever jokingly said, "I'm a 5-year-old"? That is enough for you to get your account locked and deleted after 14 days. For example, here's a person who said they are under 13 and got their account terminated and here's a member of the discord.js library who got his account terminated too.

The Discord staff

  • The staff members of Discord have the power to do whatever they want, read this post which explains how a Discord employee abuses his power by banning and then unbanning a person's account as a joke because he publically posted a screenshot of a graphically edited Discord client (because mods, themes, and plugins are against the app's ToS).

  • Apart from graphical tools, the Discord staff also has the power to edit the database and do whatever they want:
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    Source of this image: here

Deleting account?

  • Deleting your account will not delete any information from your account. Deleting your account will only remove your profile picture and renames your account to "Deleted User".

  • All of your messages and data will still remain on their servers. So your only option is to manually delete all your messages (which is pretty much useless as your messages aren't actually deleted) or use a script which deletes all your messages and hope that the bot detection system does not get triggered or you will be locked out of your account.

Alternatives

Telegram, Slack, Skype, and Matrix for text chat and Jitsi, Mumble, and Peercalls for video, voice, and screen sharing.

Final Verdict

There are many many more problems with Discord that aren't listed in this post, but you get it, if you really want a truly private experience, use one of the listed alternatives.
I'm happy that I quit using Discord and chose freedom and privacy.

This post intends to make you aware of the problems with Discord, this post, in no way, forces you to stop using Discord, you are free to do whatever you want to.

Note: This post or its contents may become irrelevant in the future. This post was last updated on November 4, 2020.

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VoidDiver • Edited

Just had to create an account to call you out for your stupidity.

Privacy

"The program reportedly collects lots of data about users, from your IP address to every single message you send, be it in a DM or a server. You should read its privacy policy here if not already.", Yes. Every single messaging platform requires your IP, in fact, every single platform connected to the internet. As you most likely know, you would need to know the IP address of a device so you could send information to it [ "IP addresses are the identifier that allows information to be sent between devices on a network: they contain location information and make devices accessible for communication. The internet needs a way to differentiate between different computers, routers, and websites." - Kaspersky, "An Internet Protocol address (IP address) is a numerical label assigned to each device connected to a computer network that uses the Internet Protocol for communication. An IP address serves two main functions: host or network interface identification and location addressing." - Wikipedia ], messages are information, they require IP addresses to be sent.

"Every single thing you do in the app, is logged in an event containing your user ID, a unique event ID, a timestamp, and a very detailed description of what exactly you did."
They do log all of your messages, in case you contact the Trust and Safety team, you would have to provide the associated IDs with the issue, whether it was a self-botted account that you're reporting (provide account ID), or a pedophila case (provide the IDs of the inappropriate message(s)) And as you most likely know, messages will be logged regardless. As when you send a message, a new key is added to the database of Discord, so if you make changes to the message, it would be applied to all clients that are able to view the message, otherwise, messaging wouldn't even be possible.

"Deleted messages and attachments are not actually deleted, they are deleted from the user's/client's side but they are accessible by cdn.discordapp.com links (attachments) and they are accessible by the Discord staff too (both deleted messages and attachments)." They are not entirely deleted from the recipient's side, they still are available in your cache files, everytime your client recognizes a media file, it's automatically saved to your client (I don't have to explain why as you probably know why.), and deleted within a time period. Bots and users can still access deleted files, since they will be on cdn.discordapp.com for a period of time after being deleted.

"Also, you cannot use a VPN to use Discord whatsoever because as soon as you log in with a VPN connection and browse through the app, you will see this:" There's no point in using a VPN while connecting to Discord, your IP address is protected by the Discord host server. Otherwise, you're implying that you're doing illegal activity which is why you require a VPN. Discord doesn't allow VPNs as a precaution for DDoS attacks ( "When enough devices are infected the hacker orders them to attack; each system begins sending a flood of requests to the target server or network, overloading it to cause slowdowns or complete failure." - Kaspersky ).

Bad design practices

"You cannot use the tab key to move around different sections, because it's been overridden to always focus the text field. Although there are various keyboard shortcuts, they are hard to remember and cannot replace the classic tab key experience." I sure am that this is not an important feature, as you clearly know, input devices are existent.

"Various parts of the app are light-themed, despite the "dark" mode which is not-so-dark:" This has been fixed as of the time I'm writing this, which I sure am that themes are not critical. And the "not so dark" theme can be modified using third party clients, which I would not recommend since they're against the ToS, but, there's not a confirmed case of a person being banned for using a third party client, as long as you're only modifying the theme you should be good. Also, there's a theme called AMOLED available for Android, which makes the front-end of your client completely black.

Discord doesn't care about you

"The discord staff doesn't care about you, especially if you are a big contributor to the app, for example, if you make Discord bots which benefits their platform but barely benefits you at all. You should read this blog which explains about the mess caused by the Discord bot verification system (or verified bot developer system).
It basically requires you to send to Discord, who you are in real life by sending them a scanned copy of your passport otherwise, your bot won't be able to be added to more than 100 servers." No, they do care about you, at least talking from personal experience, I got a pedophile banned from Discord. Making bots does not benefit them, it's a huge load on the API, the only way that could possibly benefit them is keeping the user-base large, since bots provide moderation abilities, etc. and no, making a bot benefits you, the creator of Dank Memer would approve. And, why would you want to have your bot in more than 100 servers? there are a plenty of bots out there, you would only want to create a private bot, which is obviously for show-off purposes. And about the verification system, there's no possible way to validate a user without their passport, are you going to tell them to get into a voice call? you realize that voice-changers are existent, and what could they possibly do with your passport?

The Discord staff

"The staff members of Discord have the power to do whatever they want, read this post which explains how a Discord employee abuses his power by banning and then unbanning a person's account as a joke because he publically posted a screenshot of a graphically edited Discord client (because mods, themes, and plugins are against the app's ToS)." Yes, that's true, they have the power to do anything, as they're trained. And no, I wouldn't call that abuse, abusing is a misuse of power, and you said it, and I quote again, "(because mods, themes, and plugins are against the app's ToS).", as long as they have violated the ToS, actions can be taken upon the offender.

"Apart from graphical tools, the Discord staff also has the power to edit the database and do whatever they want:" Please provide one case where Discord modified the database where the modified value was a critical value, and not an emoji ID.

Deleting account?

"Deleting your account will not delete any information from your account. Deleting your account will only remove your profile picture and renames your account to "Deleted User"." Please provide the source for your claim "Deleting your account will not delete any information from your account.". As Dak bai said "Yes, but you during the first 30 days of account deletion your account username will be replaced with ‘Deleted User’ and your profile picture will be removed. In these 30 days, you can login with you email and password and recover your account, and your username and profile picture will be restored. If you don’t recover it, then your account will be permanently deleted along with your messages."

"All of your messages and data will still remain on their servers. So your only option is to manually delete all your messages (which is pretty much useless as your messages aren't actually deleted) or use a script which deletes all your messages and hope that the bot detection system does not get triggered or you will be locked out of your account." Again, As Dak bai said "Yes, but you during the first 30 days of account deletion your account username will be replaced with ‘Deleted User’ and your profile picture will be removed. In these 30 days, you can login with you email and password and recover your account, and your username and profile picture will be restored. If you don’t recover it, then your account will be permanently deleted along with your messages."

Alternatives

They all are worse than Discord in every single way possible.

Final Verdict

"There are many many more problems with Discord that aren't listed in this post, but you get it, if you really want a truly private experience, use one of the listed alternatives.
I'm happy that I quit using Discord and chose freedom and privacy." Specify how any of these platforms is superior privacy-wise than Discord? they all collect Cookies, IP addresses, etc. (Which is required.)

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I know that u like Discord. But see here. Discord message wasn’t been deleted if u deleted it. If u use certain logger bot, you can view the message fully with the link it provides. Ex. Logger. If u deleted your accounts, even after 1 year, it still remain readable if no one delete it in the client side. Telegram also have more better E2E then Discord. All of your stuff is just talking nonsense since u just created it. After a year, u will found out. You can also noticed that Discord controlled u and spy on you if u know how to check. U will know more if u a programmer. If u use Guilded or Slack, u will know why other hate it.

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VoidDiver • Edited

If you want to argue please use valid points and actually research what you're saying;
The message logging bot as you refer to does not have access to Discord's database, what it does is that whenever the client receive a message, it gets logged. There are such other loggers, such as a logging plugin, which displays the modified message to your client side directly, though, it is against the Terms of Service, I wouldn't recommend using it.
And what do you expect? The message will stay on every receivers' end.
You do really think that Telegram is better? which at that point arguing with you is pointless. And no, Telegram isn't better, it lacks a lot of features that Discord has, and you know it. E2E is not important after the testing is done, and I my personal opinion say that Discord has better E2E.
And no, I'm not talking nonsense and didn't make any of these stuff up, feel free to search about what I've said.
The one who's speaking nonsense is you, with you completely invalid arguments.
And you know that every single platform does have your information. No, Discord does not control me nor anybody, only bot clients have the ability to control accounts using the API, which requires the bot to be whitelisted and it requires the to-be controlled user to authorize the bot.
No, I am a programmer. And guess what? I have never heard of these (Guilded and Stack) at least this shows that they're not good, if they were I would have probably heard about them, considering that I spend more than 12 hours a day on my computer.
I have yet not seen other than you who hates Discord.

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Also I highly doubt that you're a programmer, considering your spelling, and grammar. ("U will know more if "u a" programmer", "if no one "delete" it", and almost this whole sentence is incorrect "message wasn’t been deleted if u deleted it.", "Telegram also "have" more better E2E then Discord", "u will "found" out") I honestly had a stroke reading this. Also, you used multiple words to refer to the word "made-up", "since u just created it".

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"I know that u like Discord. But see here. Discord message wasn’t been deleted if u deleted it. If u use certain logger bot, you can view the message fully with the link it provides. Ex. Logger. If u deleted your accounts, even after 1 year, it still remain readable if no one delete it in the client side. Telegram also have more better E2E then Discord. All of your stuff is just talking nonsense since u just created it. After a year, u will found out. You can also noticed that Discord controlled u and spy on you if u know how to check. U will know more if u a programmer. If u use Guilded or Slack, u will know why other hate it."

dude did u even go to school? is english ur native language?

I know that u like Discord, but see here. Discord messages wouldn't've been deleted if u deleted them. If u use certain logger bot, you can view the message completely with the link it provides. Ex. Logger. If u deleted your account(s), even after a year, it'll still remain visible if no one deletes it in the client's side. Telegram also has more better E2E than Discord. All of your stuff is just talking nonsense since u just made it up. After a year, u will find out. You may also notice that Discord controlled u and spied on you if u know how to check. U will know more if u're a programmer. If u use Guilded or Slack, u will know why others hate it.*

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dom

This is bs.

You are saying they're collecting your IP. Tell me ONE SITE that is not collecting that kind of information. Every site does, because you have to send signal and receive signal somehow, and the computer has to identify you somehow.

"Various parts of the app are light-themed, despite the "dark" mode which is not-so-dark:"
Oh my god! What shall I do? SOME THINGS ARE WHITE OMG! and? Does that matter?

"The staff members of Discord have the power to do whatever they want, read this post which explains how a Discord employee abuses his power by banning and then unbanning a person's account as a joke because he publically posted a screenshot of a graphically edited Discord client (because mods, themes, and plugins are against the app's ToS)." First of all: mods don't exist inside of Discord. And plugins/themes are not specifically against TOS, client modifications are.
As you have mentioned, "he publically posted a screenshot of a graphically edited Discord client" and "by banning and then unbanning a person's account as a joke"; this is just pure stupidness. If he edited the client, it IS a ban reason, and it doesn't matter if discord never have banned an account permamently because of editing the client; it's STILL AGAINST TOS.
"abuses" - abusing a power means you have the opportunity/chance to do something with your power and then using it with no reason whatsoever, just because you can or you don't like that guy etc.

"Telegram, Slack, Skype, and Matrix for text chat and Jitsi, Mumble, and Peercalls for video, voice, and screen sharing."
Skype is dead, such as Telegram and Mumble. Never heard of Peercalls and Slack or Matrix, and Jitsi just seems like it's some chinese copy of skype (judging by the name). Discord has better and more servers than these, and if you think Skype's for text chatting, you are COMPLETELY wrong. It is for voice chatting, and it is bad quality. Also, Skype is developed by Microsoft, which is one of the largest data collectors on the internet, as it powers the internet. And then comes Facebook with WhatsApp and Instagram, which are completely unsafe (just like any other part of the internet, because social sites always have dark sides). WhatsApp collects data about you in every hour, and Instagram is just... instagram. You are posting images about where you are and who you are, which is very unsafe. And don't tell me Facebook, Messenger or Instagram is any better than discord.

"Deleting your account will not delete any information from your account. Deleting your account will only remove your profile picture and renames your account to "Deleted User"." IT DOES, but only after 30 or 60 days.

"The discord staff doesn't care about you, especially if you are a big contributor to the app, for example, if you make Discord bots which benefits their platform but barely benefits you at all." - They DO care about you. I got many accounts banned for griefing/sending IP loggers or viruses/being underage/etc and they commited changes to every account within 1 week (never more), even during the pandemic. The only thing that took more than 1 week took 6 weeks and it was a bot verification, but since I wasn't the owner of the bot, I couldn't do anything & the owner could barely speak english.
Making bots doesn't benefit Discord at all, as bots use Discord's well-made API. Discord only makes money for selling merch and from people who buy Nitro as they don't have ads.

"It basically requires you to send to Discord, who you are in real life by sending them a scanned copy of your passport otherwise, your bot won't be able to be added to more than 100 servers." And? What will they do with it? Sell on the dark web? If Discord would ever use these informations and release them to the public, users would leave discord. Oh wait, it's just your password - which they can do nothing with. It's just to confirm your age.

"Also, Discord can decide it's time for you to leave their platform, at any point in time. Ever jokingly said, "I'm a 5-year-old"? That is enough for you to get your account locked and deleted after 14 days." Yes, it is enough, because discord doesn't know what text is in what context. You can confirm your identity with your password/ID/school ID and it'll be completely fine as discord won't ever bother you with these kinds of things (as they saw when you were born).

"The new design for the mobile app is horrible and (almost) everyone hates it. Read more about it here." It is indeed horrible, but that's not a reason to leave discord.

"You cannot use the tab key to move around different sections, because it's been overridden to always focus the text field. Although there are various keyboard shortcuts, they are hard to remember and cannot replace the classic tab key experience." I can't agree with that. Yes, sometimes I feel better to navigate with tab key, but in discord, mouse is a neccesarry item you need to use, and probably if you have a PC, you have a mouse, too.

"Every single thing you do in the app, is logged in an event containing your user ID, a unique event ID, a timestamp, and a very detailed description of what exactly you did." First of all: are you a discord staff? If not, then stop stalking. If someone reports a message, Discord somehow needs to find that message. They need a server ID (in DM's: @me), a user ID (to identify the author) and the message ID (because I assume you have sent much much messages and Discord won't be able to identify the message just by saying "my message was 'xd'"). But if that's a horrible problem for you, then using Messenger/Instagram DM's/WhatsApp will scare you away from the entire internet - discord can't and won't read any deleted messages as it is deleted from the database (yes, you can view deleted messages with plugins, but it is against TOS and it is called cache), while Facebook is able to review deleted messages in their social apps.

"Also, you cannot use a VPN to use Discord whatsoever because as soon as you log in with a VPN connection and browse through the app, you will see this:" Just use your phone. And why do you need to use a VPN? For no reason. If you have a dynamic IP (which I assume you do) and your IP gets grabbed, simply restart your router or plug out and then plug in your Ethernet/Internet cable.
I used VPN, too, and Discord have NEVER said something like that to me.

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Corrupt_Crimson

Tbh i made several jokes about 13 year olds and i made a joke or 2 that i was under 13 being 26 myself but i never have any conflict with discord. The fact you had surprises me but that may also cohort due to the fact im in many NSFW channels.

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Small Pig reporter

Maybe u didn’t got noticed. It maybe didn’t got detected by the staff.

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hxr404

please remove telegram from the list of alternatives. Its like saying "Discord is bad, so why don't you try something worse?"

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Small Pig reporter

I agreed with your opinion. I also face the issue myself . Thanks for sharing the list.

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Micah Lindley

Um, you're concerned about privacy and you recommend Skype as an alternative? Skype is owned by Microsoft and likely collects even more data than Discord does!

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Small Pig reporter

It is just an alternative list. There still Telegram which is privacy based. If u wanted military high, just use Tox. That all. Just don’t complain about Discord spying on your pc and browser through since Discord will ban u for using Tox

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adam07

i have no problem with this data collecting and i like discord light theme.

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PumpkinPie Guy

So you’re... saying that...
We should quit discord... just because some things are... in light mode...?

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Kyou Senpai

Haha, what are you? 3?

Dude you're complaining about stuff almost every single platform does. And i bet you're using WhatsApp...Yeah that's definitely more private then discord 🤓

Also one of your points is wrong.

Messages and message attachments get deleted completely from discords server after you delete them. Not sure if that's true? Try it out! Post an image in any channel, copy the image link, paste the link into your browser. You will now see the image. Then go back to discord and delete your image. When you then refresh the page, it's gonna give you an error that proves it's not on the discord servers anymore.
For messages it's the same. On discords trust and safety support team website they even state that you have to supply message links of messages that have not been deleted, because else they are not able to review them...

So please, before posting baby shit, inform yourself a little bit more :)

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Small Pig reporter

Try add Logger and posting a message and then delete it. Check the logs from Logger and u will know.

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