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re: Why Windows gets all the hate... And why I still prefer to use it VIEW POST

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re: Can you list some? There might be use cases I'm not aware of. If you're talking about languages such as python or cpp, I agree with you full on. Th...

MS Office is not included and costs extra.

MS Office is available with most laptops and PC's and is usually bought along with Windows as an add-on. You always have the option to use others such as GCloud or LibreOffice though.
On the other hand, LibreOffice is only installed by default on some distros (Ubuntu, Mint, etc). In my experience, on Kali and on Arch, it had to be manually installed.

I'm sorry, but that's a poor choice of distros to use for comparison.

Arch is a literal build-your-Linux distro, you have to install everything by default.

Kali Linux is not meant for consumer user, it includes a suite of security tooling.

Sure, I'll agree with that. Although the issue isn't distro specific, it is DE specific, to be precise. I was keeping myself from calling out specific distros.

Is an Office suite the only thing supposedly missing among the 'loads of stuff'?

Well if you bought a laptop with Linux preinstalled it too would likely have extra apps preinstalled. You need to compare like for like. MS Office trials annoy me, they often catch newbies out. On Windows I also have to scour the web for extra software for things like burning DVDs. On Linux K3B is either preinstalled or a couple of clicks away, and free.

There is a difference between a DE and a distro. Some distros do stay to the vanilla DE, but many provide extra software out of the box. Fedora for example stays very vanilla, Ubuntu does not.

@explodingwalrus I'm sorry but Windows includes burning tools by default in the Explorer itself. Windows Media Player also has the option to burn DVD's. If you don't like these tools, thousands of other tools are also a couple of clicks away, and free.

@tcarrio Yes, I'm aware of the difference, that's why I just wanted to point it out.

I did not intend to do a Linux vs Windows comparison myself, I just wanted this post to reflect on what Windows has historically been doing wrong/incorrect/annoying, and include my personal experience as well. I do not intend to convert people out there, that would be stupid. I've edited my post to include this message.

GNOME includes a disk mount and burn utility, and there's Brasero for burning media DVDs as well. It's not particularly difficult to add an app from the software center, and saying that Windows or Linux includes one thing out of box that the other doesn't when they're both pretty readily available is a waste of time.

This thread is sort of devolving really 😩

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