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      <title>Product vs. Project Thinking</title>
      <dc:creator>Justin Williams</dc:creator>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2023 19:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
      <link>https://dev.to/product_foolery/product-vs-project-thinking-1e9h</link>
      <guid>https://dev.to/product_foolery/product-vs-project-thinking-1e9h</guid>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I wrote up some notes based on a Shreyas Doshi talk on Product vs. Project Thinking, thought I’d share!🍹(also on &lt;a href="https://practicalproductdiscovery.substack.com/p/shreyas-doshi-on-product-thinking"&gt;Substack&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Three big ideas
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Explain product vs. project thinking.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Describe how you and your team can learn product thinking.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Encourage you to practice by applying product thinking to nearly anything.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Product thinking is challenging to explain.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Much like trying to describe the color orange, it is difficult to do without analogies. But once you see product thinking, you cannot unsee it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On Twitter, people say: “Just friggin launch it and see! How can we be expected to know what works upfront?!”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;This is terrible advice.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;There are many methods we can use to get closer to the mark.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Once you see product thinking in action, these techniques become easier to apply in your day-to-day.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  A Common PM Scenario:
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A critical customer escalates a feature request to the CEO.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The project thinking response:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Size the request.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Recalibrate your roadmap to accommodate while attempting to make parallel progress on already-committed efforts.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Recast launch dates.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Ask the CEO to make a go/no-go call.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://res.cloudinary.com/practicaldev/image/fetch/s--AGz6IFCE--/c_limit%2Cf_auto%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto%2Cw_880/https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/articles/9ixzw67h62altwtlkltt.png" class="article-body-image-wrapper"&gt;&lt;img src="https://res.cloudinary.com/practicaldev/image/fetch/s--AGz6IFCE--/c_limit%2Cf_auto%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto%2Cw_880/https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/articles/9ixzw67h62altwtlkltt.png" alt="Image description" width="880" height="495"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Project thinking is&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Understanding expectations&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Formulating plans&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Marshaling resources&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Coordinating actions to meet said expectations&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Product thinking is&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Understanding motivations&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Conceiving solutions&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Simulating their effects&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Selecting a path forward based on the effects you want to create&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Let us revisit the above common PM scenario, this time using the power of product thinking.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PM speaks directly to  to deeply understand the ask. PM doesn’t rely on proxies:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How does this help our buyer win?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Or prevent them from losing?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PM breaks the problem down into distinct parts:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Their ask is primarily to solve &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt; is secondary and can be handled manually for the time being&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;PM understands how a win with  could be parlayed into more significant gains:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;If we build ,  agrees to be featured as a reference customer. We’ll use this to capture more of .&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://res.cloudinary.com/practicaldev/image/fetch/s--1doSCusi--/c_limit%2Cf_auto%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto%2Cw_880/https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/articles/sgali8rneisqjjgu16ys.png" class="article-body-image-wrapper"&gt;&lt;img src="https://res.cloudinary.com/practicaldev/image/fetch/s--1doSCusi--/c_limit%2Cf_auto%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto%2Cw_880/https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/articles/sgali8rneisqjjgu16ys.png" alt="Image description" width="880" height="633"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;When done in excess&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Project thinking produces heroic efforts lacking results.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Product thinking produces great plans that gather dust.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Scenario: a VP puts you on the spot about a proposed customer experience (!)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A project thinking response involves schedule and resources.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A product thinking response involves motivations, insights, and strategy.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  How you and your team can learn product thinking:
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Suspend the project-thinking mindset.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Prioritize your real goals. Not deliverables. Ask: Why? So what? What effects do you want to create for your users?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Understand your users’ needs. Pay particular attention to objections and friction points. The most important needs are those that the customer cannot directly articulate but come through indirectly via actions/stories.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Generate options. Don’t shy away from big ideas. Embrace creativity and differentiation. Copying competitors is the inverse of differentiation.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Simulate. Visualize how each option will play out. Ask yourself what happens next. Gameplan it out. Build prototypes or other testable assets.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Study examples of product thinking in the wild 🐅
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Stripe’s checkout page builder allows you to create a custom checkout experience so you can envision it working in your product.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The iOS feature copies in an SMS confirmation code with a tap.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Cash App became a hit when it designed a card that didn’t make people feel poor.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Duolingo uses gamification to help you learn a foreign language.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Others? I feel like I should have a much longer list. Help good people - send me some examples of product thinking.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Full post:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href="https://practicalproductdiscovery.substack.com/p/shreyas-doshi-on-product-thinking"&gt;https://practicalproductdiscovery.substack.com/p/shreyas-doshi-on-product-thinking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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      <title>Jobs-To-Be-Done Interview Guide</title>
      <dc:creator>Justin Williams</dc:creator>
      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
      <link>https://dev.to/product_foolery/jobs-to-be-done-interview-guide-37p</link>
      <guid>https://dev.to/product_foolery/jobs-to-be-done-interview-guide-37p</guid>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://practicalproductdiscovery.substack.com/p/jobs-to-be-done-interview-guide"&gt;Full Post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Before you dive in:
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jobs-to-be-done (JTBD) interviews are designed to discover the underlying motivations or the real reasons behind a buying decision.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These are typically wildly different from what customers say in surveys or traditional interviews.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;JTBD says when customers make a purchase, they are hoping for a type of progress that goes beyond the functional nature of the product.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These jobs can be considered the underlying reasons customers buy. Understanding the jobs helps us design our product to suit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;JTBD applies to any product, for example, are customers buying a grill or are they buying…&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;⭐ The pride of enjoying a meal that you created&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;😌 The feeling of relaxation that comes from cooking at home&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;😘 The ability to impress a love interest&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;🥳 The joy of backyard BBQ parties with friends&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The hard truth is that traditional interviews in which you ask users direct questions about what they want or don’t want, what they like or don’t like, are largely a waste of time. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“Decades of research on investigative interviewing have shown that participants struggle to answer direct factual questions accurately.”&lt;/em&gt; - Teresa Torres, Continuous Discovery Habits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is what makes the JTBD method powerful. Instead of asking direct questions, we learn insights indirectly by getting our customers to tell a specific story. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Intro Spiel
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Hi, and thanks for participating in this interview. I'm going to ask you some questions about your decision to purchase &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;There are no right or wrong answers; I'm just trying to hear your story in your own words.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I ask that you be totally candid. You won’t hurt my feelings, and oftentimes, the negative helps more than the positive. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;At certain times, I'll ask detailed questions about a situation.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;You can think of it like we’re filming a documentary, and we’re trying to set the scene and get all the details right for a closeup.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Then we will get you out of here with &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Any questions before we get started?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Warm-up
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;B2C&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tell me a little about yourself&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What were you using before ? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why did you start looking for something new?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What worked well?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What was the biggest issue with the old solution?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;B2B&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tell me about your role at the company&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How has life changed since you started using ?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Has anything changed in the world such that what you just described is more important than it would have been a couple of years ago?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What does success look like for you?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How do you measure it?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What are your biggest obstacles to achieving success right now?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Finding the First Thought
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;When did you first think about ?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What triggered you to think about this?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What else do you remember from that day? Were you with someone? What did they say?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;When you discovered , what first made you want to try it?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Desired Progress
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What about the  stood out to you the most?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What kind of progress or change were you hoping for when you purchased ?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why is this important?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What do you hope it will help you achieve?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Consideration Set
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tell me about how you looked for a product to solve your problem. Walk me through each step of your search. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Before purchasing , what other options did you consider?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Did you try or buy anything before you found us?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Did you compare the purchase you were about to make to any other products?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;If so, which?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why did you choose our  vs. the alternatives?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Emotional Factors
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Did you ask anyone else what they thought about the purchase you were about to make?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What was the conversation like when you discussed the purchase with your ?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Did you have any anxiety about the purchase? What was it? Why did it make you nervous?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Was there any information you wish you would have known that would have made the decision easier?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What made the purchase process challenging, inconvenient, or frustrating?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How did you overcome your initial concerns?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What could have been a deal-breaker?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What led to you overcoming these concerns?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Current Satisfaction
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How does using  compare to your initial expectations?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What do you like most about it?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What can you do now that you couldn't before? What does it unlock for you?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;If  disappeared tomorrow, what would you miss most?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How has  made your life better?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Have there been any moments of delight while using ? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;If you could wave a magic wand and improve three things about the product, what would they be? Assume anything is possible ;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why would you want that improvement?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;What would that enable you to do that you can't do now?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Customer Copy
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;These questions help you find better language you can use in marketing materials and product descriptions.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How would you describe the experience of  to a friend?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Who would you say the  is for?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Why is  perfect for people like that?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;If you had to convince a friend to try  and you only had 2 minutes to explain why they should buy it, what would you say?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;
  
  
  Wrap Up
&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Many customers worry that they have not been helpful enough - please reassure them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you, while answers to these questions may seem straightforward at times, I can assure you I've learned a tremendous amount, and you've given me a ton of ideas!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is there anything else you think I should know?&lt;/p&gt;

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