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Episode #9: Hacking the Job Search with Taylor Desseyn

render(ATL) — Mon, 23 May 2022 16:00:08 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #9: Hacking the Job Search with Taylor Desseyn(@tdesseyn):

Note: this is a special Render Vault episode featuring @willjohnsonio as host.

Will:
And we'll pull it out five years from now. Yeah. Next thing I kind of want to ask you about, because again, you've talked to a lot of developers-

Taylor:
Yeah.

Will:
... seen a lot of resumes, helped a lot of people through the interview process. So if you had a magic wand and you could wave it for everyone to stop doing this one thing, what would be that one thing that people need to stop doing?

Taylor:
I can only pick one thing?

Will:
You can pick as many as want.

Taylor:
I don't know if this is the most important thing, but this is the thing that I want to get across in this moment. Stop being negative in public.

Will:
Okay.

Taylor:
There's a lot of people out there with a lot of baggages that tweet all the time, that post all the time, mainly tweet, because that's where a lot of the engineering community lives, and that's kind of who I communicate with. There's a lot of people that tweet regularly about how stressed they're at the job search. "Woe is me. Things suck, yada, yada. This manager did this. This hiring sucked." I mean, even the negativity that comes at my tweets. I'm just trying to help people, and I got people coming at me with pitch forks. So I will tell you this, at the end of the day, if you're struggling in the job search, you need to look at yourself. What are you posting online? What's your processes? Right? I see these stories that's like, "500 resumes submitted later, I found a job." Why didn't you stop 250 through and do something different?" Right? So, being negative in public is one. Then also two, I think I would wave... Okay. Okay. This is my answer now. This is my answer.

Will:
All right.

Taylor:
So it's two twofold, twofold, right? That's the first thing. Don't be negative. That's the simple fix, right? The big thing is, we are taught completely backwards on how to do the job search, because you know why, no one's actually teaching, which is why I tried to put out a crap ton of content. If I could have a wand and wave it, I would get everybody to stop applying to job postings with their resumes, and I would start building relationships in the DMs.

Will:
Yep. I agree a thousand percent.

Taylor:
I mean, quite frankly, I think if you're... So people struggle. They're like, "Well, I feel really sleazy. I feel like if I know there's a job at a company and I'm trying to build a relationship with somebody, I feel like I'm just trying to get to the job." And I understand that, but here's the deal. Just try to make friends first and let's see what happens.

Will:
Yeah.

Taylor:
Right? I tell this story all the time. My dad, at the time, he was 55 years old. This was pre-COVID. My dad was able to find a job on LinkedIn in the restaurant industry because he literally kept at it every day, and he didn't apply his resume anywhere. He just tried to build relationships on LinkedIn and his contact book in his phone, contact list. That's it. And so if I could wave a wand, it would be for people to approach the job search about building relationships first, not submitting your resume first.

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

Episode #8: Unconventional Tech Career Paths with Ezekiel Price

render(ATL) — Mon, 16 May 2022 14:53:50 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #8: Unconventional Tech Career Paths with Ezekiel Price (@verybigbank):

Ashley:
Something else that you mentioned in your earlier comments as well that jumped out to me was kind of we need to have a good example, basically, of what success and, I don't know, how cool the field is. And for software engineering, we've seen that evolve. We have shows like Silicon valley, where it shows all the different stereotypes of people in the industry, all these influencers on TikTok that are like, this is how you can break in and make six figures in tech. Do you see a future like that for your profession or for other unconventional pass? And if so, where does that start? How do you get that out there?

Ezekiel:
I think the most appealing part for me is the freedom. So right now, I'm taking some time off, and I'm on this big balcony talking to you and making sure I have time to get stuff done that I want to get done. And just two weeks ago, I was doing 32 jobs in a week. And so if I want to work for one week and take two weeks off and get stuff that I want to get done, that level of freedom is a 60 year old's level of freedom. I just don't know too many people this young that can leave and come when they please. And so, I believe if more people had that freedom or knew that level of freedom and know the source of how this all works, maybe somebody with more entertainment value, I think I'm pretty fun, but if somebody was a TikToker or a social influencer that knows how to move an audience were to come along and see what this kind offers or even take part in it, I think there could be a chance for some real appeal there. The substance is the freedom.

Ashley:
Absolutely.

Ezekiel:
For me.

Ashley:
No, yeah. That is super compelling. Even someone that, like I work a nine to five. And it's great, because it's still pretty open and flexible, but I don't get to just decide I can take two weeks off and also sort of group what jobs and the money that I make into other weeks. And that seems like a whole other luxury in itself. So that's awesome that you get to experience that.

Ezekiel:
Also to make it more appealing, just to shout out how the underpinnings of this lifestyle, three things I would like to share that I would never have thought how this started out is that I do afford a driver. I do afford a rental BMW, which allows me to feel comfortable and not have to have car back problems or something from being in the car all day. And I do have discounts around the country for where I can stay. So it kind of, along with the freedom of the job, then comes of how you spend your time outside the job or how much you're in demand. Okay, well they're willing to make sure that all your accommodations are taken for. Maybe not directly. Maybe there's just per job, they'll pay you a travel fee or something like that. But when your travel is kind of covered, it kind of makes the job not so hard on you. But you got to get stuff done and you got to have a great reputation.

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

Episode #7: Building in Public with Lola Ojabowale

render(ATL) — Mon, 02 May 2022 13:10:58 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #7: Building in Public with Lola Ojabowale (@ojabowalola). This was a special Render Vault episode with Taylor McNeil (@ThatDevTaylor) as host:

Taylor:
Yes, for sure. I think a lot of people love that startup founder story and traditionally that's not something that you really get to see until it's, oh, 10 years later they're being acquired. And now there's a biopic about everything that happened. And we all know that's not how companies are built. That's not how things run. I think the whole build in public movement is super duper interesting. And so, I would love to know your take on it and like how you're doing it at Lunch Pail Labs.

Lola:
Oh yeah, for sure. So I completely agree with that. Yeah. I think for me, build in public kind of serves three, I'd say, main purposes. First, it's really helpful. Just for the person building to have this kind of record of, "Hey, we look back, this is what the company was doing. This is how I was thinking about things. This is the sort of products I was shipping. And these are how all of that has evolved."

Second piece, I think people have found that just by consistently sharing your story, sharing what you're working on, especially if you're building in public in an area where your potential customers live, is a natural and seamless way for lead generation. Finding new opportunities. Even with Lunch Pail Labs. All of the work that we do right now has been inbound, and a lot of it has been because somebody read a blog post or heard something on a podcast, or saw a tweet. By build in public, I think of is you are taking daily or whatever, cadence shots, you're putting shots into the universe. And you only need to couple baskets for you to really start kicking something off the ground.

And then when people know what you're working on and what you're trying to do, it's a natural way to get help as well. If you're stuck on something. If you're looking at hiring somebody down the road or growing the team. I think build in public also helps with that as well. Because folks can see, this is what it's like to be here and having that transparency out there.

And then I think that the third sort of bucket and reason that build in public is helpful is just that by you, sharing your story, and sharing what you're doing and being honest about it and authentic. Not just the "Hey, everything is awesome all day."

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

Episode #6: Increasing Access to Computer Science Education with Diana Kris Navarro

render(ATL) — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:30:06 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #6: Increasing Access to Computer Science Education with Diana Kris Navarro (@_dianakris):

Ashley:
For sure, yeah. So perfect segue into my next question, actually, about the impact of exposing people from a young age to computers, education, especially those that are in underserved communities. So, we have those career concepts like lawyers, doctors, from an early age, you know what that is. It's in all of your cartoon programs and stuff. So with that and with what you mentioned where your misconceptions of computer science prior to, how do you feel we might be able to better socialize careers in tech from a younger age?

Diana:
That's an incredible question. Yeah. Because I remember especially being Asian, my mom, she saw all of these, especially being Filipino, specifically. I don't know if the audience is familiar with this, but a lot of Filipinos go into nursing. And that's Reshma, the founder of Girls who Code, always says you can't be what you can't see. And I thought that was profound to me when I heard that. Because I was like, "Wow, that is so true." I only went it into software engineering because I saw someone who was a software engineer. And then I got to do Girls who Code and I saw women who were a software engineer. And that's why that became realistic for me to do.

So lawyer and doctor that hits very ... It's really rooted at [inaudible 00:06:32], sometimes I'm like, "Maybe I should have became a lawyer or doctor." But right, that starts with a lot out of mainstream media. I think we had, Hackers, that movie in the 90's and then we also had the Internet boom, where it was white men. It was Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates and now we're seeing Elon Musk and it's these dudes who were super privileged from the start and had those opportunities to do technology. So when I say, how can we expose kids of all ages to what it's like to be a software engineer or make it more socialized for them, I think, it's really about showing them what it actually is.

And oftentimes it's not portrayed in that way. We see engineering as, again, I keep bringing this up but I genuinely believe that computer engineering was a dude in his basement coding. When in reality it's like the complete opposite, right? It's like we're talking to people every day and we're collaborating. And I remember at Tumblr, which was such a momentous occasion for me, was being able to pair program and talk to my team about what I was planning on doing. And I'm a big planner, I love planning. I have notion, I have all these other incredible tools for productivity.

But showing computer science for what it actually is and how sociable it can be and how there's fellowship in figuring how to solve a problem. I think it starts with there. And I think from all these different platforms of especially incredible, I love STEM influencers. I think they're doing the Lord's work because I think that because so many girls just see that on their feeds and they're like, "Wow, these people that look like me are doing this," and that does something.

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

Episode #5: Mental Health and the Job Search with Angel (@AlioFonzy43)

render(ATL) — Mon, 04 Apr 2022 11:25:05 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #5: Mental Health and the Job Search with Angel (@Aliofonzy43):

Ashley:
So going into you mentioned obviously, you went through that horrific interview experience that was obviously 10 times longer than it should've been, so with that, what are some things that you feel like you're looking out for now or tactics that you try to apply while interacting with companies to prevent that exploitation from happening again?

Angel:
That's a good question. I have to think about that for a moment. The way I've been approaching the things is I have a checklist, questions I ask the company because the thing that I like is how there's a two-way conversation, where as they ask you questions, you ask them questions.

And usually I ask them, "Do they have a culture of blameless analysis? What is the structure? Is their documentation? How is the onboarding process like? Do they have support for not only entry level, but do they have support for their mid level and senior levels?" And there's just a lot of things that as I'm in an interview and as I'm talking to companies, I wait to find the right certain words that they say or find the right keywords that I'm looking for, like the green flags, and they're not generic words.

I don't like to usually say the words I look for out loud, so it's not too known, but there's certain things they ask and word it in a certain way that based on how they answer, I will know, do I find myself a good fit for the company or not? And it's something that I've been finding each time I've been going to each interview, but every time that I've done it, I've usually got hit right on the nail on, yeah, this company may be a good fit, or this company may not be a good fit, or this one is just... It's absolutely perfect, but they just showed a huge, critical flaw that may make it hard for me to work with if I was onboarded.

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

Episode #4: The Future of Web3 with Harper Reed

render(ATL) — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:43:16 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #4: The Future of Web3 with Harper Reed (@harper):

Ashley:
I've seen a lot recently on Twitter and other platforms about the pushback regarding web3 is, that it's really hard to get into it basically is what a lot of people feel because of all of this lingo. Even learning what an NFT for me was very difficult until I actually saw in a tangible concept. So, how do you anticipate if it will at all? How will you anticipate it to be easier to get into that in the future?

Harper:
It's a hard question. I mean, my first time I looked at NFTs or not NFTs, but looked at smart contracts was in 2017. And I remember very specifically sitting and looking at this and just being like, "This is impossible. No one knows what the fuck's going on here. This is a nightmare." And what changed for me, I think this is what changed for a lot of people is suddenly there was an application that I could wrap my head around. And I think it has to be, I think if we, as creators, oftentimes do a bad job of describing what we are creating. I think part of it is I remember it's actually I think fun to watch people describe to people NFTs. Like say, "Okay, I have a JPEG, it's worth a lot of money. What does that even mean?"

That doesn't mean anything. That's not a real thing, you know? But you try and really describe what it means. And the problem right now is that we don't know. I think the issue is that there are people who are able to get into this, like my brother or all the people around us that we know that are successful in this space. And a lot of that has to do with luck, more than has anything to do with anything else. It has nothing to do with skills. That doesn't mean that the people who are in it aren't skillful. It doesn't mean that they don't have skills, but being in the right time, in the right place is not a skill that you can practice for. What it does mean though, is that there are a lot of opportunities for skilled people coming up.

I think that part of the problem that we have is people already in here is we aren't very good at describing what we need and what the world is going to become. We don't know. What ends up happening is, and I saw this, I onboarded my team into Ethereum. Most of my team hadn't used Ethereum before I kind of dragged them in. There's a lot of hurdles. Gas, gas is a hurdle. I don't know how many times I heard swear words and then gas, just in the slacks or in the video calls. There's a lot of concepts that are very unique and complicated. There's a lot of things that seem like magic that people are like, "What does this even mean?" Could it air drops, like someone would get a big air dropped.

They're like, "Why? Where does the money come from?" There's all these question. Taxes, nobody knows what's going to happen there. All these things, there's a lot of legality. So it's very complicated to try and for people even inside, I think it's complicated to try and figure out some of these concepts. So, if you're outside, it's 10 times worse. The concern I have is that we aren't doing enough to make it accessible. I don't think this means building things for people who don't know or building new user stuff, but literally make it accessible.

And then there's the other thing, which is that there's a lot of gatekeepers. There's people who don't want it to be accessible because they themselves are finding success. They know that if they bring other people in that they won't have as much opportunity. I have always felt that the more people that are here in this party, the better. I don't ever think it's been better when it's smaller. So I look forward to more people being in there, but I do think there's a lot of things we have to solve and we have to figure out how to fix these things.

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

Episode #3: Web3 for Web Developers with Nader Dabit

render(ATL) — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 14:11:00 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #3: Web3 for Web Developers with Nader Dabit (@dabit3):

Note: this is a special Render Vault episode featuring @willjohnsonio as host.

Will:
What would you say to the Web3 skeptics of people who are ... That's calling it a scam and a Ponzi and things like that. You're definitely deep into it. What would be your advice to them to make them kind of give it a try?

Nader:
I don't really think that it's worth talking to the people that are using that type of language. They usually ...

Will:
Okay.

Nader:
Kind of like I would say for the most part, when they've gone that far, they've kind of like put themselves in a position publicly where they want to take a stance and there's no evidence that will change them. It's almost like speaking to a religious person about trying to convince them that their religion is wrong or someone like an extreme politician. I think the more interesting discussions are happening around the people that are open minded and are nuanced, where they will say ... They'll express skepticism without being extremely harsh in their language, and that typically means that they're just open minded people that are obviously seeing that this is just a technology that has its drawbacks as well as it's upsides. And those are the people that are often the most enjoyable to have these skeptical conversations with. There are also people that just use these really foul talking points and create toxic environments that just say stuff like that, that don't really want to have the discussion and those are the people I tend to stay away from.

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

Episode #2: Transitioning from IC to Manager with Raven Covington

render(ATL) — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:14:21 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #2: Transitioning from IC to Manager with Raven Covington (@_raven_io):

Ashley:
With management, I often think of, for example, the process of ICs switching managers and getting to know them, getting to know their management style and philosophy. Do you feel like you have your management philosophy and style figured out yet? And if so, how would you describe that?

Raven:
Yes, I do. I think that's actually really important. I think that you should figure that out before you become a manager, you should know why you're doing this. And specifically anyone who goes into it should realize that this is not a promotion. Yeah, I do. And it's the first thing that I like to share with people in my first one on one. Basically it's kind of corny, but I like to tell folks, "I am kind of the Scottie Pippen to your Michael Jordan." I'm the one on the sideline who you tell me which way you want to go. And I'm here to help you with guidance, advice. I'm here to be a sounding board, right? But I think I like to empower the people I work with, the people I manage, to be in the driver's seat of their career. Even maybe the time that we're working together at that particular company, right?

I still have conversations with people who I managed at Mailchimp, people who I no longer manage because I care about them as people. And I care about them for their career as a whole, right? It's like you're going to be working for a long time. So I encourage people to think about their career holistically and think about how can I help them do whatever it is that they want to do. Right? And so my manager philosophy is largely if people focus on themselves and getting what's good for them and taking care of themselves, I generally believe talented people are going to put out good work. In my experience, I don't believe that we need to really push people to like work crazy hours or do all this wild things. If we can set up good processes, sounds like people are going to do good work.

You just have to give them the space to do that, right? And get out of their way. So that's kind have largely been the way in which I handle my people management. For a team and if I'm managing a team, my philosophy is largely around I don't have a real... I'm not really married to any ideology of how a team should be run versus a scrum or whatever. However, we're trying to solve a problem. I don't care. As long as the problem is being solved, the tool that we use, and this is largely how I was as an IC, the tool that we use, I don't care what that tool is. Let's just solve the problem.

And so if we focus on solving the problem and making sure that we are doing that, then I find that that gives us the best results.

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

Episode #1: Empowering Junior Developers with Rizèl Scarlett

render(ATL) — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 22:58:03 +0000

An excerpt from RenderATL's Culture & Code podcast Episode #1: Empowering Junior Developers with Rizèl Scarlett (@blackgirlbytes):

Rizèl:
I have noticed that like in moving from being in person to remote, like people are more quiet. They're scared to ask questions. We can't tell when they're struggling. So it's something I've struggled with as well.

But similarly to some of the other points I made, we have office hours opened. So if they feel like embarrassed or scared to ask those questions in the moment they can hop into office hours, I think just stressing to them like you're here, you're available ask me anything. And I don't think junior engineers are that scared to ask questions as people make it seem. I think it's more like sometimes the reaction from other people, I think sometimes I've asked questions and then felt discouraged because they all say like, oh just Google it or something that feels very dismissive.

And instead of saying just Google it, I think a better thing to say is like try to get them into a pattern of answering all the questions that you need first because of course they already Googled it. So saying like, what's your goal? What have you already tried? And then what was the result? And then after a while, they'll get into that pattern of answering it that way before you even ask them. So I think it's more about showing that you are available to answer questions than doing anything else because I think people are ready to ask questions and also showing that the rest of your team also ask questions. If you see a senior engineer asking for help, you're like, oh, okay, this is the culture. It's okay to ask questions here.

This was an excerpt from Culture & Code, a podcast brought to you by RenderATL that is focused on leveling up your tech career and exploring new technologies.

You can listen to the full episode and read the complete transcript on our website here.

#RenderRoundtable meets Front End Happy Hour

render(ATL) — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 20:06:47 +0000

For last week's #RenderRoundtable, we had the pleasure of having libations and lively conversation with Shirley Wu, Jem Young, and Ryan Burgess from none other than the Front-End Happy Hour: a podcast featuring a panel of Software Engineers, who discuss all things front-end.

However, we decided to switch it up and talk about working from home. A lot of us have gotten accustomed to attending meetings with our pajama pants on, napping on our lunch breaks, and zoom meetings with dogs in the background over the past year. For some, it's made us realize how much we hate the commute or love the flexibility, and for other's it's been hard to be as productive or as social.

I think the important thing that we all learned here is that there's drawbacks to every model. While various degrees of remote work and different team structures will work incredibly well for some companies, it simply wont for others. And that's okay! Whatever your working flavor is, what we all agreed on was that working from home has sparked a broader conversation about inclusion. People who normally wouldn't be able to work in certain positions now can, because they can telecommute. And (in theory), they can do so without the backlash that often comes with having a non-traditional schedule or work environment.

As we move towards being an industry that is pioneering being successful from anywhere, we need to be sure that we are empowering, not punishing remote employees. And that teams who choose to be remote or have remote members, do so because they have the resources and are willing to commit to creating an environment where these employees can thrive.

As we approach the arrival of RenderATL, these conversations continue to be of the utmost importance. And while we won't be having a #RenderRoundtable next week, we will be launching our first ever spotlight piece on another dope individual doing great work in tech.

For a sneak peek at who this might be, be sure to follow us on Twitter, and subscribe to our newsletter. We'll be dropping some exclusive conference previews on Instagram too, so be sure to check us out!

And if you haven't already, check out our menu (chef-cooked meals and drinks are included alllll conference long), take a look at our amazing speakers, and grab a ticket-- there's only a few left, before they're all gone!

Until next time!

#RenderRoundtable: Nader Dabit & Ken Wheeler

render(ATL) — Mon, 24 May 2021 17:10:18 +0000

For last week's #RenderRoundtable, we took a deep dive into all things web-dev with Nader and Ken. I mean, where else can you talk about Web 3.0, Crypto, and open-source if not with us? Our conversation not only talked about what's hot in the industry and investment opportunities, but how these changes tie into one another and are working together to help things around us evolve very quickly-- and even how our listeners can get involved, by making their first professional contributions to open-source repositories.

If you haven't already caught on, our #RenderRoundtable series is not only just a space for amazing conversation, but it's also an opportunity for us to showcase some of the incredibly dope speakers that you can connect with at our conference. Yes, Render is all about tech, but we're also about community. We hope that these Roundtable discussions have helped you make good decisions, exposed you to things you didn't know were possible, but more importantly, have given you people to relate to.

Next week, we are kicking off the summer with Ryan Burgess, Shirly Wu, and Jemuel Young. And to keep with the theme of the Front-End Happy Hour, we ask that you bring good vibes, good drinks, and good conversation this Thursday on Twitter Spaces at 7:00 pm EST. We'll be talking about the pros and cons of going back to the office, and how the past year has really transformed the way we do work.

As always, we'll be taking questions, and if you'd like to chat with us before then, you can find us on Twitter and Instagram.

Tickets for Render are moving fast, so catch us and the summer sun in Atlanta this September. You can check out our unbeatable menu, our unrivaled list of speakers, and purchase your tickets here.

Until next time!

#RenderRoundTable: Getting to the Bag with Ayo Duyile

render(ATL) — Tue, 18 May 2021 18:16:45 +0000

As you guys may have noticed, there was no #RenderRoundtable on Twitter Spaces last Thursday. While we missed you all dearly, our Director of Outreach and Engagement who facilitates these dope conversations was graduating! But before she walked across the stage, we did get a chance to sit down with Ayo Duyile, a Product Manager at Microsoft.

Ayo not only gave us some tips and tricks for securing the bag, but we also talked about how to gauge what salary to aim for when entering your career, how to negotiate your offer, securing internships, and even transitioning between different industries. It was an enlightening conversation that got even better when we learned about the amazing work that Ayo is doing with Techsgiving.

Techsgiving is a program that aims to tackle the lack of minority representation in technology. Ayo and his co-founders work with middle school and high school-age kids to expose them to tech and help them find and incubate their talents. Here at Render, we often talk a lot about the importance of paying it forward as you climb the ladder, and the many forms giving back can take.

As always, we appreciate you guys for chatting with us-- it was definitely a conversation for the books!

Be sure to tune into our Twitter Spaces conversation this Thursday, May 20th with Brian Douglas. We'll be discussing the value of open-source, and how you can start making your own open-source contributions. You can add a reminder to your calendar here-- it's a conversation you won't want to miss!

Tickets for RenderATL are moving fast! Maybe it's our great lineup of speakers, or it might be the delicious food on the menu, but either way, we're excited to see you guys in September! If you haven't already, get yours, and don't forget to subscribe to our newsletter for important conference-related updates.

We've got more tech talks and fun events planned, so be sure to follow us on Twitter and Instagram to keep up with all things Render, and we'll see you guys on Spaces!

Until next time!