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      <title>Self Referential Associations in Rails - simpler than it sounds</title>
      <dc:creator>Shamila TP</dc:creator>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2026 10:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
      <link>https://dev.to/shamila_codes/self-referential-associations-in-rails-simpler-than-it-sounds-5b03</link>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;Tbh I had no idea this was even a thing until recently. I've been working with Rails for a while now and somehow never came across it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So let me explain it the way I understood it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You know how we normally do associations in Rails, User has many Posts, Post belongs to User. Two different models, two different tables. Simple.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But what if a model needs to reference itself? Like same table, same model, but pointing to another record in the same table?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That's all a self referential association is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The example that made it click for me was Employee and Manager. A manager is just another employee right? So both live in the same employees table.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let's build it:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;div class="highlight js-code-highlight"&gt;
&lt;pre class="highlight shell"&gt;&lt;code&gt;rails new self_referential &lt;span class="nt"&gt;--api&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span class="nb"&gt;cd &lt;/span&gt;self_referential

rails g model Employee name:string manager_id:integer
rails db:migrate

&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;The key column here is manager_id — it just points back to the same table.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now if you go to Rails console and try &lt;code&gt;alice.manager&lt;/code&gt;, you'll get a &lt;code&gt;NoMethodError&lt;/code&gt;. Makes sense, we haven't told Rails anything yet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here's where you add this to the model:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;div class="highlight js-code-highlight"&gt;
&lt;pre class="highlight ruby"&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;span class="k"&gt;class&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="nc"&gt;Employee&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="o"&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="no"&gt;ApplicationRecord&lt;/span&gt;
  &lt;span class="n"&gt;belongs_to&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="ss"&gt;:manager&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="ss"&gt;class_name: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;"Employee"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;
                       &lt;span class="ss"&gt;foreign_key: :manager_id&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;
                       &lt;span class="ss"&gt;optional: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="kp"&gt;true&lt;/span&gt;

  &lt;span class="n"&gt;has_many&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="ss"&gt;:subordinates&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="ss"&gt;class_name: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;"Employee"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;
                          &lt;span class="ss"&gt;foreign_key: :manager_id&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span class="k"&gt;end&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;The reason we need &lt;code&gt;class_name&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;foreign_key&lt;/code&gt;, Rails tries to guess the table from the association name. &lt;code&gt;belongs_to :manager&lt;/code&gt; makes Rails look for a managers table. That doesn't exist. So we just tell it explicitly, look in &lt;code&gt;employees table&lt;/code&gt;, use &lt;code&gt;manager_id column&lt;/code&gt;. That's it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now this works:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;div class="highlight js-code-highlight"&gt;
&lt;pre class="highlight ruby"&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;span class="n"&gt;john&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;span class="o"&gt;=&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="no"&gt;Employee&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;create!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="ss"&gt;name: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;"John"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span class="n"&gt;alice&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="o"&gt;=&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="no"&gt;Employee&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;create!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="ss"&gt;name: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;"Alice"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="ss"&gt;manager: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="n"&gt;john&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span class="n"&gt;bob&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;span class="o"&gt;=&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="no"&gt;Employee&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;create!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="ss"&gt;name: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;"Bob"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;span class="ss"&gt;manager: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="n"&gt;john&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span class="n"&gt;carol&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="o"&gt;=&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="no"&gt;Employee&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;create!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="ss"&gt;name: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="s2"&gt;"Carol"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="ss"&gt;manager: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="n"&gt;alice&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span class="n"&gt;alice&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;manager&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;name&lt;/span&gt;             &lt;span class="c1"&gt;# =&amp;gt; "John"&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span class="n"&gt;john&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;subordinates&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;map&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;(&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="o"&gt;&amp;amp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="ss"&gt;:name&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;span class="c1"&gt;# =&amp;gt; ["Alice", "Bob"]&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span class="n"&gt;carol&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;manager&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;name&lt;/span&gt;             &lt;span class="c1"&gt;# =&amp;gt; "Alice"&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span class="n"&gt;john&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="p"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="nf"&gt;manager&lt;/span&gt;                   &lt;span class="c1"&gt;# =&amp;gt; nil&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;One table, one model, navigate relationships in any direction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Once you get this pattern you'll start seeing it everywhere, comment replies with parent_id, users following other users, categories with subcategories. Same idea every time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;honestly, it sounds scarier than it is. Just a column pointing back to the same table with a bit of guidance for Rails.&lt;/p&gt;

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