I mean, collectively in IT, we pay developers from India, Bangladesh and al. a much more lower salary than ours and it seems like everyone is fine with it unless it impacts us. We should address this first before complaining about that "injustice".
Couldn't agree more with that observation. I think there is a larger problem of racism when it comes to that sort of problem.
I think people will talk about the cost of living or what not, when the real issue comes from the internalized racism creeping in our society.
Not only on the US, there are similar laws all over the world. This doesn't prevent a certain amount of disparity anyway, but I have no specific data to support this claim (as much as there's a disparity between men and women, for example).
But still, an Indian developer in San Francisco is paid orders of magnitude more than one in Delhi. I don't think this could be remotely disputed.
What actually abysmal in the US is what's considered "minimum wage" by law, which is way below the poverty limit 😟
I feel there is something to that ... paying Indian devs way less than US devs just because they're living in India somehow doesn't feel right, especially so when both are working remotely i.e. not in an office.
When people are getting into an office to get work done I feel it's somehow different and more justified to "discriminate" on salary/wages because they're really physically tied to that location.
But if companies decide to go full-remote and have their employees working remotely, then location should not be a factor at all - ZERO - that's the whole point of "remote". So in that case differentiating salaries based on location is an absolute no-no in my opinion.
I don't want to offend anyone but this logic is a bit odd to me. If the company pays less for developers from India, Bangladesh and etc why don't they just get everybody from there and fire you guys? They will make more money that way and if they are as good as you guys no one will see a difference.
The problem is that it is not even close to the case. I had the pleasure to work with more than 20-30 team members from the countries you are "marking" and there is a big difference in knowledge and etc.(They were all in teams of 4-5 and I was like a manager to all of them.) Not everybody is the same and I'm sure there are differences everywhere but in most cases, companies get people from those countries for cheap labor, not for the good code/tests or etc.
Yes companies invest these asian countries because they need to reduce the cost. But if you compare the knowledge, as a sri lankan and as a person who have worked with developers who were getting paid well, there is no such a big different. Sometimes our people are better than them. Then i have that issue why they are getting paid more than us without even having more knowledge than us?
I am from Sri Lanka and here we are annually getting paid 10k to 20K. When comparing with the US they are getting paid, 100k-120k at least. But for us, this is not a bad amount when compared to other industries. but here it is much harder to buy required hardware etc with that cost. Let's say most of US developers are using apple products while here we have to stick with cheaper products. That is where the issue comes in!
If every person is delivering something valuable, they must have treated the same way!
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I mean, collectively in IT, we pay developers from India, Bangladesh and al. a much more lower salary than ours and it seems like everyone is fine with it unless it impacts us. We should address this first before complaining about that "injustice".
Couldn't agree more with that observation. I think there is a larger problem of racism when it comes to that sort of problem.
I think people will talk about the cost of living or what not, when the real issue comes from the internalized racism creeping in our society.
Are Indian developers living in the US paid lower wages? If not, racism is not the issue here.
We actually have protections to prevent this in the US. This could absolutely still be rooted in racism.
Not only on the US, there are similar laws all over the world. This doesn't prevent a certain amount of disparity anyway, but I have no specific data to support this claim (as much as there's a disparity between men and women, for example).
But still, an Indian developer in San Francisco is paid orders of magnitude more than one in Delhi. I don't think this could be remotely disputed.
What actually abysmal in the US is what's considered "minimum wage" by law, which is way below the poverty limit 😟
I feel there is something to that ... paying Indian devs way less than US devs just because they're living in India somehow doesn't feel right, especially so when both are working remotely i.e. not in an office.
When people are getting into an office to get work done I feel it's somehow different and more justified to "discriminate" on salary/wages because they're really physically tied to that location.
But if companies decide to go full-remote and have their employees working remotely, then location should not be a factor at all - ZERO - that's the whole point of "remote". So in that case differentiating salaries based on location is an absolute no-no in my opinion.
I don't want to offend anyone but this logic is a bit odd to me. If the company pays less for developers from India, Bangladesh and etc why don't they just get everybody from there and fire you guys? They will make more money that way and if they are as good as you guys no one will see a difference.
The problem is that it is not even close to the case. I had the pleasure to work with more than 20-30 team members from the countries you are "marking" and there is a big difference in knowledge and etc.(They were all in teams of 4-5 and I was like a manager to all of them.) Not everybody is the same and I'm sure there are differences everywhere but in most cases, companies get people from those countries for cheap labor, not for the good code/tests or etc.
Yes companies invest these asian countries because they need to reduce the cost. But if you compare the knowledge, as a sri lankan and as a person who have worked with developers who were getting paid well, there is no such a big different. Sometimes our people are better than them. Then i have that issue why they are getting paid more than us without even having more knowledge than us?
I am from Sri Lanka and here we are annually getting paid 10k to 20K. When comparing with the US they are getting paid, 100k-120k at least. But for us, this is not a bad amount when compared to other industries. but here it is much harder to buy required hardware etc with that cost. Let's say most of US developers are using apple products while here we have to stick with cheaper products. That is where the issue comes in!
If every person is delivering something valuable, they must have treated the same way!