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Discussion on: Implement Picture-in-Picture on the Web

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Janne "Lietu" Enberg

Oh god, this reminds how much I hope people stop implementing these things and making the awful autoplay videos that then follow me around when I didn't care about them in the first place.

This is why I need more and more browser extensions all the time, to block these things.

"so that users may continue consuming media while they interact with other content sites, or applications on their device" - what about the people who hate websites deciding what I want to do?

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Ananya Neogi Author

This is based on user interaction. The user has an option to enable/disable the PiP mode.

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Janne "Lietu" Enberg

Nah, typically it's based on the assumption that the user WANTS it, and "giving me an option" to disable it is just not right. If I, as a brand new user, land on your website and start scrolling past some video, and suddenly it pops out and starts following me around and I then have to stop what I was doing to close that thing, that's not ok.

These things additionally often have awful bugs where e.g. the autoplay on the video might be disabled otherwise (as it ALWAYS should be unless specifically on Youtube or other purely video content website), but then when the video pops out and starts following me around it suddenly starts playing by itself and then I first close it, and then I have to find where it vanished so I can try to figure out how that custom video player (please guys, stop doing that) can be paused. Worst case scenario I have to open developer tools and just delete the DOM nodes to make that thing shut up.

It's like spamming me with popups asking me if I want to sign up for your newsletter, or if I want desktop notifications from your random site? The answer is always no, and developers thinking they are doing good because they're giving me an option to say no is enough, is what pisses me off and why I need so many browser extensions.

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Diogo Korok

The feature is not the problem, it is indeed good that we have these kind of advancements as a platform.
Problem are those who abuse the platform, like Facebook or YouTube.
Want to make an actual difference? I see two ways (each impacting the world differently, though):
1) Boycott abusers. Don't use their apps. Don't give them your money. Call your data back to you, demand them erase your data from their servers (in some countries they must abide by), and go to their competitors.
2) Grow better in your area and, instead of ranting on people online who only wanted to help, seek to have voice in the Working Groups, Consortiums and Committees.

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Janne "Lietu" Enberg

You are simply wrong - the feature is the problem.

If I browse the internet randomly I regularly bump into sites abusing various things you would consider "advancements", things like notifications and picture-in-picture.

The reason they are able to abuse these features? Because the features have been designed wrong.

Yes, we should have picture-in-picture, but only if I want it, not when the website developer wants it. We should have notifications, but only when I expressly ask for it, not so every website out there can spam you with "bs-news.com would want to send you notifications? Allow / Deny" dialogs.

Your non-solutions are not amusing.

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Janne "Lietu" Enberg

You are simply wrong - the feature is the problem.

If I browse the internet randomly I regularly bump into sites abusing various things you would consider "advancements", things like notifications and picture-in-picture.

The reason they are able to abuse these features? Because the features have been designed wrong.

Yes, we should have picture-in-picture, but only if I want it, not when the website developer wants it. We should have notifications, but only when I expressly ask for it, not so every website out there can spam you with "blahsite would want to send you notifications? Allow / Deny" dialogs.

Your non-solutions are not amusing.

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Marvin Ambrose

Case in point #facebook pip. It was an awful experience when the pip feature just decided to have a life of its own like a rogue AI. It annoyed me greatly while experiencing it.

Choice is all that matters for the end users.