OR... developers should be paid more because at least 80% of the time are forced to do a job they are not prepared for but they are asked to do efficiently :D
No one asks the plumber to fix the shelf in the living room. But everyone ask developers to understand and work on product specification, design, UI, UX, data management, data engineering, infra...
After my first contact with a computer in the 1980's, I taught myself to program in BASIC and Z80 assembler. I went on to study Computer Science and have enjoyed a long career in Software Engineering.
Software Developers/Engineers are not paid to code. They are paid to solve business problems with code being a small part of the solution. Check out the Software Development Life Cycle.
I think the most challenging task for Software Devs is obtain a firm understanding of the problem followed by establish an in-depth awareness of the domain in which a solution has to operate. At the same time they have to keep up to date with advances in the technology stack and the latest development techniques and tooling.
25+ years as a Software Developer. I'm passionate about process improvement using technology. Let's all work smarter not harder and do more with less.
MY THOUGHTS ARE MY OWN
Software Developers are paid to convert solutions into software. I hate when people try to make a developer into many things. Project Manager, Business Analyst, Program Manager, etc.
When you go to school you learn how to write code with a particular language. Developers are not suppose to come up with the solutions.
Ex. I want a website that shows me all employees that live in the USA.
That is a solution to a problem of not knowing which employees live in the USA. I'm just converting that to software.
"solve business problems" means: the problem has been already detailed by Project Managers, Business Analysts, Program Managers, etc.
The solution has been identified too.
Developers takes the business problem definition refined, the proposed solution, challenge it on tech side and, when everything is feasible from tech side, they implement it.
From my perspective, as developer, the worst implementations are the ones where the solution has been dropped from non-tech people and devs "just" translate it into code. The resulting code will be the next problem to tackle.
After my first contact with a computer in the 1980's, I taught myself to program in BASIC and Z80 assembler. I went on to study Computer Science and have enjoyed a long career in Software Engineering.
Hi Kyle, On this point I think we will have to agree to disagree.
When I was taught my trade of 30+ years, which is a decade or two before you I guess, we were instructed in a variety of programming languages (not one "particular language") with a view to applying the one most appropriate to the task. I have yet to find a single language that is sufficiently generic it is appropriate for any problem.
You might argue our points of view highlight the difference between Software Developers and Software Engineers. Where (to your argument) Software Developers are employed to code/implement from a specification/design, I would argue a Software Engineer is required to understand all and deliver most of the Software Development Life Cycle (SDLC).
25+ years as a Software Developer. I'm passionate about process improvement using technology. Let's all work smarter not harder and do more with less.
MY THOUGHTS ARE MY OWN
@ccarcaci -_ "From my perspective, as developer, the worst implementations are the ones where the solution has been dropped from non-tech people and devs "just" translate it into code. The resulting code will be the next problem to tackle."
25+ years as a Software Developer. I'm passionate about process improvement using technology. Let's all work smarter not harder and do more with less.
MY THOUGHTS ARE MY OWN
@tracygjg - I was taught my trade 25+ years ago. :) I was taught multiple languages also. :) I was just making an example. I have a MS in Software Engineering and I would agree Engineers deliver all of the SDLC. But we shouldn't be responsible for solving problems in a non-technical sense. That's all I'm saying. That for people with MBA degrees.
Developers/Engineers should be gathering the solution requirements.
No engineering discipline comes up with the solution. We implement solutions.
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OR... developers should be paid more because at least 80% of the time are forced to do a job they are not prepared for but they are asked to do efficiently :D
No one asks the plumber to fix the shelf in the living room. But everyone ask developers to understand and work on product specification, design, UI, UX, data management, data engineering, infra...
I absolutely agree.
Software Developers/Engineers are not paid to code. They are paid to solve business problems with code being a small part of the solution. Check out the Software Development Life Cycle.
I think the most challenging task for Software Devs is obtain a firm understanding of the problem followed by establish an in-depth awareness of the domain in which a solution has to operate. At the same time they have to keep up to date with advances in the technology stack and the latest development techniques and tooling.
As you said - coding is the easy part.
No, no, no.
Software Developers are paid to convert solutions into software. I hate when people try to make a developer into many things. Project Manager, Business Analyst, Program Manager, etc.
When you go to school you learn how to write code with a particular language. Developers are not suppose to come up with the solutions.
Ex. I want a website that shows me all employees that live in the USA.
That is a solution to a problem of not knowing which employees live in the USA. I'm just converting that to software.
"solve business problems" means: the problem has been already detailed by Project Managers, Business Analysts, Program Managers, etc.
The solution has been identified too.
Developers takes the business problem definition refined, the proposed solution, challenge it on tech side and, when everything is feasible from tech side, they implement it.
From my perspective, as developer, the worst implementations are the ones where the solution has been dropped from non-tech people and devs "just" translate it into code. The resulting code will be the next problem to tackle.
Hi Kyle, On this point I think we will have to agree to disagree.
When I was taught my trade of 30+ years, which is a decade or two before you I guess, we were instructed in a variety of programming languages (not one "particular language") with a view to applying the one most appropriate to the task. I have yet to find a single language that is sufficiently generic it is appropriate for any problem.
You might argue our points of view highlight the difference between Software Developers and Software Engineers. Where (to your argument) Software Developers are employed to code/implement from a specification/design, I would argue a Software Engineer is required to understand all and deliver most of the Software Development Life Cycle (SDLC).
See: aws.amazon.com/what-is/sdlc/#:~:te...
Kind regards, Tracy
@ccarcaci -_ "From my perspective, as developer, the worst implementations are the ones where the solution has been dropped from non-tech people and devs "just" translate it into code. The resulting code will be the next problem to tackle."
We agree
@tracygjg - I was taught my trade 25+ years ago. :) I was taught multiple languages also. :) I was just making an example. I have a MS in Software Engineering and I would agree Engineers deliver all of the SDLC. But we shouldn't be responsible for solving problems in a non-technical sense. That's all I'm saying. That for people with MBA degrees.
Developers/Engineers should be gathering the solution requirements.
No engineering discipline comes up with the solution. We implement solutions.