I wonder does Vim really boosts up your productivity. My IDE has the keybindings so I wonder should I give it a shot or not.
I wonder does Vim really boosts up your productivity. My IDE has the keybindings so I wonder should I give it a shot or not.
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I use vim for small things in the console, or when over a network connection. Beyond a few basic commands I don't know much, and would never use it for more than minor changes. It also tends to pop up for some git commands.
Minimal commands I use frequently:
ito edit a documentddto delete a lined+ down_arrown to delete a couple of lines:wto save the file:qto quit, andq!to quit without saving:m-2to move a line up one, useful for reording git commitsI started learning
vima while back, and I've never regretted it. I can be so much more productive in it in the command line than I can w/ programs likenano. Sometimes it's even faster than my IDE for particularly complex changes.That said,
vimisn't for everyone. Try it andemacsboth - they're quite different, but allow the same degree of uber-productivity once you master it - and then decide which one you like better and learn it. You won't be sorry!(In case anyone wonders, I hate
emacspersonally...but I recognize that as my own preferences and way of thinking! I have never known anyone that liked bothemacsandvim, but one can almost invariably master one or the other.)Hi,
Time to update this answer.
There is an emacs version called Spacemacs with a vim editing mode.
It’s a distribution aimed at those of us who love vi and its keybindings and the power of emacs as an “operating system”.
So #1: it is possible to like both. I see absolutely no reason why not.
And, based off of that, I don’t understand what you mean by “almost invariably”.
So #2: yes. You can master both. There is no evil demon that formats your HD if you try it.
I learned VI around 35 years ago. Yes, you will need to spend a little while becoming as productive in what ever editor you are currently using... Other editors have come and gone. It is still my personal choice and I am still learning new tricks to become more productive in it. I am very impressed it is still so popular to this day. sudo you're welcome.
I use Vim. I think it is great... for me.
Give it a try. If you like it, great. If it doesn't work for you, that's understandable.
You will want to take a quick look at this Tutorial.
I found this to be a helpful Cheat Sheet. (Hmm, although that one is lower resolution than the image I have. UPDATE: here is a higher resolution version.)
I'm using this cheatsheet for now. I already navigate and edit my code with Vim keybindings and I kinda like it.
Well there may be good vim plugins like those from Jetbrains, but in my opinion they always fall short in some way.
Also I could imagine it is kind of hard to learn vim or beeing motivated to learn it without using it natively.
As someone who uses vim (nvim nowadays) for everything, I'd also like to add that this huge productivity boost many people have in mind when talking about vim is an illusion. There is always the right tool for the right job and most of the time it depends firstly on your skills and secondly on the tools you use. Using vim is in my opinion more than just using some editor. It's a way of thinking (modularity!) and if it fits in your environment (but only then) so that you end up spending alot of time in vim, productivity can be increased alot yes. It suits people the best who spend most of their time in the terminal and have their ecosystem of small modular programs set (eg. vim, fzf, rg, tmux/nvr, ranger, glances, fish...) which they love and use everyday.
I say this because I bet you have a workflow already and it could take months or more to be at the same level you are right now. Well enough demotivation for now. Motivating you to use vim is easy. It is by far the best editor I came across and if you somehow manage to survive the first few months in vim with all the getting started issues (learn text objects!!!) you will never look back :)
Well I'm a vim user now. Wasn't that hard to learn it. I suffered a lot when switched from qwerty to dvorak so I'm not scared of re-learning keys anymore ;)
You say that as if we stop learning new stuff in vim at some point. We'll never do don't get fooled :P But I am happy for everyone who makes this step and I should've not written this post literally seconds ago... Welcome to the family :)
I like vim keybindings because it helps me minimize moving my wrist and using the mouse a lot. Ran into some wrist pain and I rarely have issues now. I only use maybe 1/10 of the power of vim as it takes quite a bit of memory to remember everything it does.
If you want to edit text on the command line on Linux at any point I would go for it. If it doesn't pertain to anything you work on, I don't think there's really anything else you'd get out of it.
First, if you're looking for productivity, the following are all much larger factors than your IDE/editor:
So if you're trying to prioritize what to learn/change, you might be better off building your testing speed/skills than learning a new editor. If those are all in place, then by all means look for a better IDE/editor.
I've used various IDEs & editors, and the "productivity" isn't a product of keybindings, but rather a of features that let you think and act over bigger "chunks" of code.
I love IntelliJ's refactoring functions (extract function, extract parent class, create/goto test, etc.), and I love that IntelliJ (and WebStorm) let me rebind keys, or just hit
Shift-Cmd-Aand type the name of the command I want to invoke.So, I totally agree that good key bindings are important. But you'll get more of a productivity boost by delegating more work to your tools, and having fast ways to accomplish that delegation. Pick your IDE/editor for the features, then configure the keybindings to suit you.
Cheers, and let us all know what you find!
I have started learning how to use vim the right way by reading "Practical Vim" by Drew Neil. I really enjoyed the reading and it changes the way of thinking while editing text completly.
While I always love coding it's even more fun by editing the vim way (ok most tasks i'm using a IDE with vim mode).
But there was also some tasks which feels like hard work. Where you have to edit many places and do some boring but error prone changes multiple times.
Today I love having the same situation. I make the change one time in a very clear and reproducable vim movements/commands sequence. And then I can easily do the "hard work" by using the first sequence multiple times as a macro.
It take some time to master vim but for me it was quite fun and i'm love to find new ways of beeing more productive every day.
I just started a job where I had to learn it a month ago. My boss recommended vim-adventures.com or something like that. tbh I never got past level 3 but that was everything I needed to know to be semi functional. I can really see the benefits being going to any computer and being able to code right away!
Yes it does.
Not having to reach for the arrow-keys is one of the big advantages.
And I can't code without things like ci" (delete contents of quotes and place cursor between them. also works for <> {} '' etc.) or "dit" (delete contents of Tag).
The cool thing is, that there are VIM-plugins for all popular editors/IDEs. They are mostly a compromise, and some are better (EVIL, Sublime's Vintage), some are worse (IntelliJ), but you'll be more productive nonetheless.
But it will take some time. Use VIM for a couple of weeks, do the VIM-Tutorial, disable your arrow-keys and look up commands if you find that you are repeating certain actions (theres always a shorter way).
Apparently many people already talked about how the productivity factor is actually related not only to keybindings but also modal editing.
That being said, one of the things I enjoy the most about Vim is the amount of memory required by it and its start up time.
A well configured Vim is instantly available and uses almost no memory at all. It is cheap to start and quit, in all senses.
Not only that but if you’re also doing Ops (or DevOps for that matter) and you need to ssh to a server... vim is pretty much always available and ready.
So the answer is Yes. Vim does boost our productivity but, as with anything in life, there’s a learning curve that doesn’t necessarily make sense to everyone, specially to those new to the industry*.
I love Vim. I used it pretty much everyday, either by itself or inside of Emacs (Spacemacs) which is my main editor today.
It's useful to have a more full-featured editor when having to work from the command line. If you don't work from the command line often (I do), or you're already comfortable with another tool, then it may not be worth it. If you do / want to, it's a good tool to have in the box. I never got the hang of emacs, but either one should serve someone in that boat well.
Addendum: I use the vim extension in vscode on a Mac and I love it because I barely have to touch a mouse. It is by no means mandatory in IDE-land though.
I'm a Vim fan boy but still have a lot to learn.
Vim is almost mandatory if you need to do alot of SSHing into cloud servers for editing files and such.
It is great if you have the time to learn it in depth.
It is not great if you cannot spare time to breaking your Flow to look up commands.
Definitely yes. Do it.
I used to have a lot of pain in my wrists when I was still using a mouse and didn't use vim. Once I started using vim, I got more shit done but the pain has vanished (that was 9 years ago).
It doesn't even take much time to learn it. Three or four days after running through vimtutor, you should be up to speed, the rest comes as you go. You will be like "Hmmm... I wonder if I can jump to the top of the file?" Quick google, quick "AHA!" moment.
I used to have a heavily customized vim config, but nowadays I'm just using the vim bindings in atom.io and I haven't even added any custom bindings. The defaults are already sane and powerful enough.
It really isn't about the keybindings, it's more about the modal editing. If you learn vim like a mindset it's gonna be much much better (the keybindings are a big part of vim though)
I've been using vim for almost a year now and even when I am not workin with vim I use a vim plugin form my other editors or IDE.
Vim is a tool like grep awk or Python. The question I think should be asked is what do I gain from learning it.
That said, my .vimrc file dates back to Aug 2000 so I may be what you’d call “old and grizzled”. I took a few years off from vim to see what I was missing in emacs which is also good. It comes down to athe question of what is the right tool for the job to me. Sometimes it’s vim. And sometimes it’s emacs. And again sometimes it’s something entirely different.
I have not changed when I use vim coding, there is a repositorie to-vim-tmux-zsh maybe you can have a reference.