Hey @leob and @joelbonetr (tagging you from this thread, but this concerns some others who have commented this post as well), I'm not even going to try to explain to you the problematics of your answers, because it seems that you don't want to listen to the points about e.g. "he/she" being excluding for some people.
I just want to ask, did you happen to read the Code of Conduct before posting (which is actually suggested before commenting to these #WeCoded-posts)? I'd like to kindly remind you of something from there:
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There are people from tones of different cultures and backgrounds and we all can differ on viewpoints.
In this specific thread, the usefulness or convenience of the "singular they" (which I didn't even knew it existed as is, thanks to John for pointing it out) has been discussed and I would call it "safe enough" and "healthy".
By that means, I don't believe that this could ever be considered as Dismissing or attacking inclusion-oriented requests. You are, on the other hand, free to debate or not.
Hold on - I've just re-read my posts, but in all sincerity I can't imagine why any of them would be "problematic" - I seriously object to that qualification, and I'm kind of disappointed about it, because for all I know this was a respectful discussion throughout.
I'm not speaking for Joel, or for anyone else for that matter, only for myself, but to the best of my knowledge I have been (in those 3 or 4 comments):
respectful and empathetic
acknowledging that I'm mindful when it comes to gender (the example I gave about the new colleague demonstrated that)
not trying to attack anyone or anything, be aggressive or dismissive - the contrary I would say
Note that I only explained why personally I was using those particular pronouns in that particular example - I didn't give an opinion (let alone a dismissive one) about the terminology someone else wants to use, or about terminology that's recommended on dev.to for certain topics - I'm totally fine with all of that.
If my tone wasn't right, yes then you'd have a point - but I don't think that that was the case, at all.
I'm all for inclusiveness, and above all - respect, but calling people's moderate and nuanced comments "problematic" is, well, anything but, I would say ... honestly it irks me when I try to contribute to a discussion in a respectful way, and my contributions are put down as "problematic" ... case of pot and kettle, in my opinion.
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Hey @leob and @joelbonetr (tagging you from this thread, but this concerns some others who have commented this post as well), I'm not even going to try to explain to you the problematics of your answers, because it seems that you don't want to listen to the points about e.g. "he/she" being excluding for some people.
I just want to ask, did you happen to read the Code of Conduct before posting (which is actually suggested before commenting to these #WeCoded-posts)? I'd like to kindly remind you of something from there:
Hi @eevajonnapanula , no worries for the direct tagging.
Yes I did. And it also explains very clearly that
And
It also states that:
and
There are people from tones of different cultures and backgrounds and we all can differ on viewpoints.
In this specific thread, the usefulness or convenience of the "singular they" (which I didn't even knew it existed as is, thanks to John for pointing it out) has been discussed and I would call it "safe enough" and "healthy".
By that means, I don't believe that this could ever be considered as
Dismissing or attacking inclusion-oriented requests. You are, on the other hand, free to debate or not.Best regards 😄
Hold on - I've just re-read my posts, but in all sincerity I can't imagine why any of them would be "problematic" - I seriously object to that qualification, and I'm kind of disappointed about it, because for all I know this was a respectful discussion throughout.
I'm not speaking for Joel, or for anyone else for that matter, only for myself, but to the best of my knowledge I have been (in those 3 or 4 comments):
Note that I only explained why personally I was using those particular pronouns in that particular example - I didn't give an opinion (let alone a dismissive one) about the terminology someone else wants to use, or about terminology that's recommended on dev.to for certain topics - I'm totally fine with all of that.
If my tone wasn't right, yes then you'd have a point - but I don't think that that was the case, at all.
I'm all for inclusiveness, and above all - respect, but calling people's moderate and nuanced comments "problematic" is, well, anything but, I would say ... honestly it irks me when I try to contribute to a discussion in a respectful way, and my contributions are put down as "problematic" ... case of pot and kettle, in my opinion.