Discussion on: Turn a Stream of Objects into an Object of Streams

[Franciszek Krasnowski]

Does it play nicely with the <$> component? It would be a great combination. It’s a similar idea to Hookstate. And what about cats and dogs Subject ? and .next method?

[Kostia Palchyk]

Hi, Franciszek!

Does it play nicely with the <$> component? It would be a great combination.

Great question! Especially since I haven't tried it yet with <$> myself! 😄 (the idea came up for use in recksjs framework) Now I did! Here's an example:

function getStatus() {
  return ajax.getJSON<{ message: string }>('https://api.github.com/status');
}

function App(){
  const { message } = proxify(getStatus());
  return <$>{ message }</$>
}

^ online playground — I've added two precautions in comments, please be advised!

And what about Subject ? and .next method?

Hm, I haven't considered this before 🤔 The original idea was to provide a selector, independently from provider. And the .next method would be lost after first subproperty access, e.g. stream.a — since it's map-ped under the hood. Though having the initial Subject, one can still do:

const state = new Subject<{ a: number, b: number }>();
const { a, b } = proxify(state);
// consume a, b in some way, and then
state.next({ a: 1, b: 2 });

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THEORETICAL PART

Yet there's something to be discovered w/ state management, like:

// !pseudocode!
const [in, out] = store({ a: { b: 1 });
in.a.b.subscribe(console.log); // log 1
out.a.b = 2; // next-s to the store, that leads to logging 2

Quite interesting concept, need to think & play around w/ this! 🤓

EOF THEORETICAL PART

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Let me know what you think!

P.S: And thx for Hookstate, didn't know about it!

[Kostia Palchyk]

THEORETICAL UPDATE:

// create a state
const [read, write, reset] = createState({ a: { b: { c: 1 } } });

// listen to state changes
read.a.b.c
  .subscribe(c => console.log('C:', c)); // > C:1

// write to the state
write.a = { b: { c: 2 } }; // > C:2
write.a.b = { c: 3 };      // > C:3
write.a.b.c = 4;           // > C:4

// reset the state
reset({ a: { b: { c: 42 } } }); // > C:42

~ Well typed, though has bugs 🙂
Heres a playground: stackblitz.com/edit/rstate?file=in...

[Franciszek Krasnowski]

Wow, it looks like MobX now 🤯. I checked the code. What about changing the approach? Instead of chaining observables, we can chain the properties names and then just pluck them for subscribing. I made the demo. I also used Immer to deliver next state 😛

const state = store({ a: 1, b: { c: 2 } })

state.subscribe(console.log) // Logs: { a: 1, b: { c: 2 } } | { a: 1, b: { c: 7 } } | { a: 1, b: { c: 100 } }
state.b.c.subscribe(console.log) //Logs: 2 | 7 | 100
state.b = { c: 7 }
state.b.c = 100

[Kostia Palchyk]

Awesome! I especially like that you've united read & write: I wanted to do it too! (but reused rxjs-proxify cz of already implemented TypeScript)

And I agree, a single pluck is nicer & more performant, though we might need a custom pluck operator if we want to support a.b.c() — since pluck won't keep the call context: this will be lost, not sure if that's a big deal

I still have mixed feelings regarding whether pushing to state should be a.b.c = 1 or a.b.c.next(1) — latter is uglier, I admit, though it has two benefits:

1. it allows to easily set root state a.next({ b: { c: 1 } })
2. it gives some symmetry to the API: callback effect subscription on one side, and fn call to create effect on the other (a.b = 1 is not obviously effectful)

Regardless of implementation details, do you think such approach could be useful as a package? I think in Recks it can be handy, maybe in <$> too, not sure where else..

Will try to compile a unified solution early next week 👀

[Franciszek Krasnowski]

I don't get the first point. Which this will be lost? Help me understand 😅. I updated the demo with apply trap and everything seems ok to me. Besides your proxify does not keep the this of the root object if that's what you mean

When it comes to = vs .next: IMHO = with a company of .next or just .next. Keeping only = as you just said disallows setting the root state and makes the proxy less usable in higher-order scenarios like passing the chain as a prop to further set the next value.

Could it be handy as a package? Using RxJS as a standalone state manager is very rare these times. Subjects in comparison to their relatives from MobX seems poor. Although mixing MobX with RxJs feels a little cumbersome due to the very different subscription fashion. Maybe it would be better to create a store by nesting observables as MobX does?

[Kostia Palchyk]

Which this will be lost?

Sorry, now I'm confused 🙂 I see that updated demo has the "this" is lost example — I meant exactly that. With o.f() I'd expect this in f() to be o (as in object o, not Observable of o). Here's a test from proxify that might better explain it.

Yet, this is a really minor issue (if it is an issue in the first place!), easy to fix and not worth much attention.

proxify does not keep the this of the root object

Can you share an example of this? I might be missing something obvious here 🙁

Maybe it would be better to create a store by nesting observables as MobX does?

Will have to educate myself better on MobX to appreciate this (haven't worked with MobX yet, only tutorials 😅)
Give me a hint if you have some particular use case in mind 🤔

P.S: Thanks for fn?.() — I didn't know that optional chaining can be applied to function calls! That's great!

[Franciszek Krasnowski]

Apologize for my wicked accusations 😌. proxify does keep the this. I didn't test it before just got the wrong claims reading the source

[Kostia Palchyk]

Phew 😅 ! That's cool! Thanks for proofreading the sources! 🙏

[Kostia Palchyk]

Hey, @fkrasnowski , sorry for bothering you again 🙂
Want to give an update:

State:

👂 listen to distinct state value changes
📝 write to state (sub)values
💫 reset state
👀 sync read current state value
👓 TS support coming

/ I've dropped fn calls with whole this issue for now 😅 and used your cool approach with pluck! 👍 /

🔗 work in progress

Autorun:

Another THEORETICAL thing born in discussions (here and on twitter for the very same proxify 🙂)

A function that is re-evaluated when an Observable used in it changes
(I think MobX' autorun does a similar thing)

🔗 work in progress #2

Mix:

The two might look cool together:

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Let me know what you think 🤔
Take care!

[Franciszek Krasnowski]

I've got mixed feelings about all this autorun thing.

1. It looks very cool. And I love this pattern. I find it clear and convenient
2. But, RxJS already includes the combineLatest operator for the same purpose, less cool, still clear, and convenient.
3. But, MobX fans will fall in love with it!

Comparison between some aproaches:

RxJS:

// atom initializtion:
const lizard$ = new BehaviorSubject('🦎');
const wizard$ = of('🧙‍♂️');

// reaction / subscription:
combineLatest([lizard$, wizard$]).subscribe(([lizard, wizard]) =>
  console.log(`king gizzard & the ${lizard} ${wizard}`)
);

// update atom:
lizard$.next('🐓');

MobX:

// atom initializtion:
const lizard = observable({ emoji: '🦎' });
const wizard = observable({ emoji: '🧙‍♂️' });

// reaction / subscription:
autorun(() =>
  console.log(`king gizzard & the ${lizard.emoji} ${wizard.emoji}`)
);

// update atom:
lizard.emoji = '🐓';

Svelte:

// atom initializtion:
let lizard = '🦎' 
let wizard =  '🧙‍♂️' 

// reaction / subscription:
$: console.log(`king gizzard & the ${lizard} ${wizard}`)

// update atom:
lizard = '🐓';

It might look like MobX and Svelte strategy is better, due to their terseness. But RxJS is about operators! And its full force lays in them. Your solution:

// atom initialization:
const lizard$ = new BehaviorSubject('🦎');
const wizard$ = of('🧙‍♂️');

// reaction / subscription:
autorun($ => console.log(`king gizzard & the ${$(lizard$)} ${$(wizard$)}`))

// OR with pipe and operators!
run($ =>
  `king gizzard & the ${$(lizard$)} ${$(wizard$)}`).pipe(/* operators */).subscribe(console.log)


// update atom:
lizard$.next('🐓');

Best of both worlds??

Glad you add distinctUntilChanged. And I think run could be better named computed or derived or autopiped 😨😝

[Kostia Palchyk]

Totally agree with all three points!
And I love your examples — this gives some perspective! Thanks 👍

I've started this only because it was a fun dev challenge, I was sure as an API it's useless and error-prone! Then when it was ready... I began to have doubts 🤔😄

The shorter notation might make sense in templates like in <$> or Recks...

Probably it's a maker's affection of some sort: when you're painting something for a day long, and you look at it -- and it's crap, you know it's crap but still you kinda like it 😔

I think, I'll finish and post the state thing.
Maybe even include it into proxify lib (bad naming here too 🤦‍♂️)
Still not sure what to do w/ autorun — will polish it, then we'll see...

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BTW, I've been sharing all this on twitter too, here's a thread
Víctor Oliva made another cool autorun concept — check it out!
(I'd ping you long ago, though haven't found you there)

and here's latest concept w/ state & autorun from twitter:

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Thanks for taking your time to look into this on Friday evening 🙂
Have a good weekend!

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SATURDAY: okay... I've shared autorun on github github.com/kosich/rxjs-autorun (no npm package, naming is still a problem)