One of the most salient features of our Tech Hiring culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted.
What Promatia is doing is that it is looking at governance in a different light. I am part of the project, yet I realize that there is a high chance it could fail (like any startup). However, if this is able to kickstart the competitive governance industry (leading to more choices), then we will see a large improvement in government service delivery and policy.
One of the most salient features of our Tech Hiring culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted.
you do what you want obviously. from my part I would rather talk with the civil servants, listen to their problems and help them do to their jobs 1% better
Who's to say that I am not working both inside and outside the system ;) . It is a principle called "Voice and Exit". In a democracy, you should be able to give your opinions and vote to try and change the system (this is called "voice"). However, it is equally important to change the system via exiting it and creating something new that can compete with (and sometimes replace) the old system (this is called "exit"). If you have a monopoly (which most governments are), then there is little incentive to change. However, if you have a free market in governance, then they are more likely to change.
One of the most salient features of our Tech Hiring culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted.
Exit, Voice and Loyalty is not new to me, I've read A. Hirschman.
What is strange to me if why you need to pretend that all of this is new. I live in Berlin so I know very much that even before the Blockchain was a thing, the east part of Germany was competing very hard for its citizen with its neighbors, and indeed loosing them no matter how hard they tried to social democracy on the other side of the wall
I agree, it is not exactly new, we saw it even in the Ancient Greek city states. However, technologies have now developed to a point that is now easier to establish such a system. One could argue that you already have that system with the USA and EU (interstate migration), however most of the states in Europe and America operate on the same operating system (except Estonia). What I hope to achieve with Promatia (as well as some other projects I advise), is to give us much more choice with our governance providers. More choice never made anyone poorer. Personally, I am more of a seasteading advocate (I have senior contacts in the movement), as it is a better medium to test this on.
Jean, the reason I know it's going to be better is that we've actually designed more convenient systems that exist under the current governments.
In my eyes, we have already superseded other governments in particular areas of service, and we've only just started.
Over the next few months, we will be launching the rest of the government systems which will enable all the requirements for a proper nation to function (banking, citizenship, judicial, organisational/business, infrastructure, etc)
edit: And regarding the Dunning-Kruger effect, we've been at this a lot longer than you might think. One of our members has been working on their project since 1998, and I've been doing this for 5 years. We have advisors in the public sector, business owners, teachers, researchers, software engineers and professionals within our team.
One of the most salient features of our Tech Hiring culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted.
Look, if you believe in this, I of course can't and don't want to stop you.
My general point was that the modern states have been hundreds and thousands of years in the making, and that they belong to the most difficult and most useful things mankind ever built, and that the smartest people have weighted in that process already.
They are clunky? Sure, even if much less than the stupid propaganda about it want us to believe.
Can we do better? Of course, but on a methodological level, I would do that from a place of humility rather than contempt. I would try to be a competent dentist that targets a specific pain, rather than thinking I would reinvent everything and makes it better.
I appreciate your wise comments Jean, and I totally understand where you're coming from. I know that governments aren't as clunky as propaganda likes to push, I am fortunate to live in a country with a fairly streamlined government compared to many other countries.
I don't want to reinvent for the sake of it, I want to reinvent to see if there is a better way to do something with technology that previously wasn't there. These are the areas we are focusing on and rebuilding with success.
I know that founding a state is one of the most humanly-challenging tasks, that's part of the reason me and many others are interested in doing this. I know it's something that will take more than a lifetime to complete
One of the most salient features of our Tech Hiring culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted.
In my opinion, you are lacking a basic realistic theory of state, politics, human nature, ambitions, violence, struggle for power, ...
The utopias that were there before you knew much more about this stuff, but even them failed.
People who don't understand the State but think they can do 42 times better anyway make me laugh.
But apart from that, they cannot do any good.
What Promatia is doing is that it is looking at governance in a different light. I am part of the project, yet I realize that there is a high chance it could fail (like any startup). However, if this is able to kickstart the competitive governance industry (leading to more choices), then we will see a large improvement in government service delivery and policy.
you do what you want obviously. from my part I would rather talk with the civil servants, listen to their problems and help them do to their jobs 1% better
Who's to say that I am not working both inside and outside the system ;) . It is a principle called "Voice and Exit". In a democracy, you should be able to give your opinions and vote to try and change the system (this is called "voice"). However, it is equally important to change the system via exiting it and creating something new that can compete with (and sometimes replace) the old system (this is called "exit"). If you have a monopoly (which most governments are), then there is little incentive to change. However, if you have a free market in governance, then they are more likely to change.
Exit, Voice and Loyalty is not new to me, I've read A. Hirschman.
What is strange to me if why you need to pretend that all of this is new. I live in Berlin so I know very much that even before the Blockchain was a thing, the east part of Germany was competing very hard for its citizen with its neighbors, and indeed loosing them no matter how hard they tried to social democracy on the other side of the wall
I agree, it is not exactly new, we saw it even in the Ancient Greek city states. However, technologies have now developed to a point that is now easier to establish such a system. One could argue that you already have that system with the USA and EU (interstate migration), however most of the states in Europe and America operate on the same operating system (except Estonia). What I hope to achieve with Promatia (as well as some other projects I advise), is to give us much more choice with our governance providers. More choice never made anyone poorer. Personally, I am more of a seasteading advocate (I have senior contacts in the movement), as it is a better medium to test this on.
Jean, the reason I know it's going to be better is that we've actually designed more convenient systems that exist under the current governments.
In my eyes, we have already superseded other governments in particular areas of service, and we've only just started.
Over the next few months, we will be launching the rest of the government systems which will enable all the requirements for a proper nation to function (banking, citizenship, judicial, organisational/business, infrastructure, etc)
edit: And regarding the Dunning-Kruger effect, we've been at this a lot longer than you might think. One of our members has been working on their project since 1998, and I've been doing this for 5 years. We have advisors in the public sector, business owners, teachers, researchers, software engineers and professionals within our team.
Look, if you believe in this, I of course can't and don't want to stop you.
My general point was that the modern states have been hundreds and thousands of years in the making, and that they belong to the most difficult and most useful things mankind ever built, and that the smartest people have weighted in that process already.
They are clunky? Sure, even if much less than the stupid propaganda about it want us to believe.
Can we do better? Of course, but on a methodological level, I would do that from a place of humility rather than contempt. I would try to be a competent dentist that targets a specific pain, rather than thinking I would reinvent everything and makes it better.
I appreciate your wise comments Jean, and I totally understand where you're coming from. I know that governments aren't as clunky as propaganda likes to push, I am fortunate to live in a country with a fairly streamlined government compared to many other countries.
I don't want to reinvent for the sake of it, I want to reinvent to see if there is a better way to do something with technology that previously wasn't there. These are the areas we are focusing on and rebuilding with success.
I know that founding a state is one of the most humanly-challenging tasks, that's part of the reason me and many others are interested in doing this. I know it's something that will take more than a lifetime to complete
Thanks for your answer, glad that the discussion was productive for both of us.