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Yes. We agree with all of those things. This was just a conversation starter for people who haven't tried it - and to see what came back. We already know you love it! And that it's an amazing set of tools. You really know your stuff! and you know so much about React too - so, yeah: After watching this - youtube.com/watch?v=OZaPaRh83sA it's clear that you know how to weigh things without bias.
Anyone who's actually been using react for a few years / will start to see the cracks! And actually working on a long-lived project is a lot different that downloading Vue or React 100 times. Let's see projects that get finished! But - also / Ember isn't for everything - and so, why not market it as what it is / A framework for when you want to built a serious long-lived application with a team.
But whether people are using it or not (of course they are!) - we just don't think that they are doing it justice in the marketing department. Maybe the people who created the best JS framework just don't also have the personal skills to explain to the people / why they should use it. Time will tell... (At the meetup we were joking about how "ember has been 'going away' since 2012" - but so have controllers...
We write about it - and we teach it at our school. We teach core JS, until we hit a wall, then show some history with jQuery and some solutions there, and hit a wall, and show a little Vue and hit a wall, and then show Ember - so that they can really understand WHY these conventions are there - and how this framework solves large and small concerns. When it's time, you were actually on our short-list of people to ask to help build out the advanced Ember.js elective. Somewhere there's a note scribbled that says "Preston or Garret?" haha!
We'll try our best to help people understand it. At some point - someone will probably have to just fork it - and rename it. How about "React-PRO" ? That might work. "For when you're sick of the shit / and you just want to use professional tools that work good."
"For when you're sick of the shit / and you just want to use professional tools that work good."
I super enjoyed reading this, and I'm glad ya'll are so invested in teaching folks how/why/when to use a particular tool for the task at hand :D
Re: marketing,
something I'm hoping to focus a bit on (now, and ) over the next year or so is to put out more technical blog articles to help out SEO/Marketing/Learning/etc.
there is a big void to fill with in-depth topics w/r/t ember (or at least w/ easy to find articles)... so.. idk. Me trying to write more and also balance not stressing over it is a tough balance too. :D
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Yes. We agree with all of those things. This was just a conversation starter for people who haven't tried it - and to see what came back. We already know you love it! And that it's an amazing set of tools. You really know your stuff! and you know so much about React too - so, yeah: After watching this - youtube.com/watch?v=OZaPaRh83sA it's clear that you know how to weigh things without bias.
Anyone who's actually been using react for a few years / will start to see the cracks! And actually working on a long-lived project is a lot different that downloading Vue or React 100 times. Let's see projects that get finished! But - also / Ember isn't for everything - and so, why not market it as what it is / A framework for when you want to built a serious long-lived application with a team.
But whether people are using it or not (of course they are!) - we just don't think that they are doing it justice in the marketing department. Maybe the people who created the best JS framework just don't also have the personal skills to explain to the people / why they should use it. Time will tell... (At the meetup we were joking about how "ember has been 'going away' since 2012" - but so have controllers...
We write about it - and we teach it at our school. We teach core JS, until we hit a wall, then show some history with jQuery and some solutions there, and hit a wall, and show a little Vue and hit a wall, and then show Ember - so that they can really understand WHY these conventions are there - and how this framework solves large and small concerns. When it's time, you were actually on our short-list of people to ask to help build out the advanced Ember.js elective. Somewhere there's a note scribbled that says "Preston or Garret?" haha!
We'll try our best to help people understand it. At some point - someone will probably have to just fork it - and rename it. How about "React-PRO" ? That might work. "For when you're sick of the shit / and you just want to use professional tools that work good."
I super enjoyed reading this, and I'm glad ya'll are so invested in teaching folks how/why/when to use a particular tool for the task at hand :D
Re: marketing,
something I'm hoping to focus a bit on (now, and ) over the next year or so is to put out more technical blog articles to help out SEO/Marketing/Learning/etc.
there is a big void to fill with in-depth topics w/r/t ember (or at least w/ easy to find articles)... so.. idk. Me trying to write more and also balance not stressing over it is a tough balance too. :D