Yeah, sounds like we're pretty aligned on design systems aka universal component libraries (I like the atomic part though. Nice touch!).
Yes, it's not trivial to actually get these things done. I think companies are questing the ROI and it's a touchy dance with the stakeholders. I did one for ethos.com and basically before I was even to a place I felt even close to finished I was pulled off the design system to pound out more features. At some point I was asked "hey, who's managing the goals of the design system" and I'm like, wth, y'all took me off of that for your super urgent project. I bet you can relate to this reality too huh Thibaut.
If I'm super honest, I've started AgnosticUI as a survival mechanism so I can show up at a similar job with a more or less complete system that I know and feel good about in terms of a11y, code quality, etc., and I can get something branded in a month or two. Otherwise, yes, it probably takes a year to build a complete system full time dedicated very experienced developer with not just JavaScript skills, but good solid HTML and CSS and a11y skills.
You don’t have to learn the 150 utility classes from a framework
Yeah, I agree. I call this having to learn a DSL (domain specific language) + CSS. You can't really use a CSS utility library effectively in the first place if you don't know CSS. The only thing I'd admit a utility gives you is decent values perhaps. But yeah, I'm in your boat and just can't see myself doing anything but prototypes this way. Bootstrap 5 has a fair set of utilities and my colleagues have pretty much made certain sections look like we're using Tachyons or TW and then we have like 15 off canvas drawers and have some crucial h100 nested code and forget it in one place and I'm hunting down the bug lol.
Yeah, sounds like we're essentially from the same camp 💪 ⭐ 🙌
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Yeah, sounds like we're pretty aligned on design systems aka universal component libraries (I like the atomic part though. Nice touch!).
Yes, it's not trivial to actually get these things done. I think companies are questing the ROI and it's a touchy dance with the stakeholders. I did one for ethos.com and basically before I was even to a place I felt even close to finished I was pulled off the design system to pound out more features. At some point I was asked "hey, who's managing the goals of the design system" and I'm like, wth, y'all took me off of that for your super urgent project. I bet you can relate to this reality too huh Thibaut.
If I'm super honest, I've started AgnosticUI as a survival mechanism so I can show up at a similar job with a more or less complete system that I know and feel good about in terms of a11y, code quality, etc., and I can get something branded in a month or two. Otherwise, yes, it probably takes a year to build a complete system full time dedicated very experienced developer with not just JavaScript skills, but good solid HTML and CSS and a11y skills.
Yeah, I agree. I call this having to learn a DSL (domain specific language) + CSS. You can't really use a CSS utility library effectively in the first place if you don't know CSS. The only thing I'd admit a utility gives you is decent values perhaps. But yeah, I'm in your boat and just can't see myself doing anything but prototypes this way. Bootstrap 5 has a fair set of utilities and my colleagues have pretty much made certain sections look like we're using Tachyons or TW and then we have like 15 off canvas drawers and have some crucial
h100nested code and forget it in one place and I'm hunting down the bug lol.Yeah, sounds like we're essentially from the same camp 💪 ⭐ 🙌