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Rob OLeary

I think it depends on where you live and how you live. If you let lifestyle steer your decisions - you may arrive at your conclusion. You can live well and comfortably without this. I have lived in Europe, US, South America, Asia, and Australia. Culture affects your goals. In countries like Korea, getting 1 degree is a minimum, I met quite a few Koreans with 2 degrees. They are at the extreme end of work culture. Even, in Ireland people work on average 1500 hours per year (close to Korea), while in Germany it is the lowest in the world and they have a strong economy.

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Samuel-Zacharie FAURE

I mean sure you can work one or two shitty jobs to make ends meets. However, in most countries, try building a family without being in the top 20% earners. It becomes exceedingly difficult. It's not about your lifestyle and it's not about how many starbucks you drink.

Heck, just try accessing home ownership as a millenial. The only people I know who could manage it either inherited, or are in the top 1 to 5% revenue of the country.

We developers don't realize how privileged we are.

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Jeniffer Carvalho

Samuel, I couldn't agree more with you.

We are extremely privileged.

I can use myself as an example.
I'm from Brazil, I studied in public schools, and I needed to use a university loan to complete my studies. Every little step was hard and faded to fail. But I was resilient, and today I work remotely for an American company. I like to use my example to inspire others to do the same.

The path is tough, sometimes money is a problem, and you don't have anyone to base on. That's why I create those articles.

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Rob OLeary • Edited

I totally get your perspective samuel and I agree it is too hard in too many places. What I was getting at, is that your welfare/attitude is tied to your country's economy, system, culture, and your own background. For example, I am from ireland, and university is free. I didnt start my career in debt, which is a big help. The other side is that home ownership in Ireland requires a big salary and demand is always > supply, so prices grow bigger. The culture is that everyone wants to own a home, and the rental market sucks in the cities. So, this puts people in an awkward position like what you mentioned.

If I wanted to own a house, I would need to get a good dev job, and/or have a partner with an income. This wasnt a realistic goal for me, especially early in my career. But I am not hung-up on owing a house and I would prefer to be away from the city, so this does not force my hand. My attitude is flexible and I like to travel, so I found it better to live in places where renting is more the social norm and prices are sensible. I am probable doubly lucky, that I can chose to go to another country to find a better fit. I hope that the availability of remote work breaks some of these negative cycles soon.

I have a few friends in Brazil with dev jobs and they still find it hard. They tend to live with their parents longer until they have savings and their salary goes up. I stayed with a guy in greece and he worked in london in a dev job for a couple of years. He left because there was no jobs in Greece. It took him a couple of years of searching to find a dev job in athens. Things are different place to place.