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Discussion on: Switching from Memcache to Redis and Some Tips on Caching

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Víctor Gil

Ok, now I fully understand it.

So the entries in your cache are actually immutable (both the key and the value never change) and whenever you need to store a new value (i.e., increase the number of followers for a specific user), you just create a new cache entry with the new key (the timestamp being the part which is different from the previous entry key) and also with the new value.
BTW, I previously missed the fact that the last_followed_at is an instance field of the User object.
And as you explained, this way the application code does not bother to delete the outdated cache entries because they will be purged by Redis automatically at the expiration time.

The only drawback I see with this approach is that you are keeping outdated entries in the cache for longer than strictly needed (until expiration time) but you also explained that data space is not a constraint in your case so far, hence, it is a fair compromise in order to remove complexity from the application code.
Everything makes sense now, thank you!

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Molly Struve (she/her) Author

WOOT! Glad I was able to explain it better!

To be clear, we do this for a lot of really simple keys, but in the future, any keys that are very large we would likely plan to remove them as soon as they become invalid rather than letting them hang around. Or, as you said, start removing them more aggressively if cache size becomes a problem.

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Amer Mahmud

I am still confused by the reasoning you have provided, Molly. I may be missing something?

Redis inserts/updates a key using the SET command. It automatically overwrites the value of a key if the same key is provided again. So you do not have to worry about writing new code to update, where ever you are currently saving to Redis when the follower count changes with a new key, you can just save the follower count with the same old key?

With your current approach you first need to query for the "last_followed_at" value, then only can you query the user-follow-count? (The "last_followed_at" value may be part of the User object which has already been retrieved but you are still looking it up, yes?) But if you have the same key which is always updated, it is never stale.

And as you mention in your follow up comment, that you'll implement deletion for larger keys as they become invalid, but then you are introducing that same code complexity you were trying to avoid? (Though as per my understanding stated above, I don't believe there is code complexity to be added.)

I guess Victor's initial question remains unclear to me, "what are the advantages of having mutable keys when compared with the immutable cache keys"?

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Molly Struve (she/her) Author

The advantage to having the keys change is that you never need to worry about updating or deleting them which can add a lot of code complexity. Instead, if I have a user with an id and followed_at timestamp that I use to store follower_count then any time that last_followed_at timestamp changes(ie a follower is added or removed) my cache request will create a new key to store the new count.

Rails.cache.fetch("user-follow-count-#{id}-#{last_followed_at.rfc3339}", expires_in: 1.hour) do 

The real advantage here is that Rails has this handy fetch method which will default look for a key, if it is there return it, if it is not it will set it. This means we can do ALL the work we need to with this key in this single fetch block rather than having to set up a set AND del command.