I've seen interviewers bag on the school the candidate came from. I think this usually says more about the interviewer than the candidate.
One time I let my coworker dig himself a hole ranting about how a candidate came from a "cheap state school". I was seeing how long it would take for someone to point out how many of his fellow employees went to cheap state schools - myself included. It was gratifying watching him eat his own words as he tried to walk back his sweeping generalizations.
This can also come through as a bias against people without university degrees. True, a boot camp grad might not have enough experience for your role, but it's not because they came from a boot camp. Plenty of great employees come from nontraditional backgrounds.
I come from a background of a lot of school (probably too much), so I have to fight against this bias myself. A lot of people who have 4-year degrees don't demonstrate the sort of academic chops I secretly hope for during the interview (I wrote about one example here). At the same time, I've seen people without CS degrees walk circles around grads in reasoning their way through fundamentals.
wow, being snotty about which school and not even which college/university. . . and the culture of CS Degree requirement is already bad enough as it is!
because, as you say, spending 4-years living that student life doesn't really in any way prepare you for what you actually do day-to-day as a dev.
no one will pay you for an abstract chess engine/ticketing system/academic OOD theory that has been coded before by >10,000 times by people much smarter than you.
To be clear, by "school" I did mean college/university. I'm happy to report I've never heard anyone bash on the grade/high school someone went to. 😅 (I'm from the US, in case someone's reading this coming from different nomenclature.)
One thing I can say for a 4-year degree is that it gives you time to practice coding in a way that a 12-week bootcamp doesn't. Literally just that one takes longer than the other. But there are so many confounding factors that it's still kind of a wash. You just have to evaluate on a case-by-base basis. Some people learn faster than others. Some people have spent a lot of informal time (outside of school/bootcamp/work/whatever) toying around with computers. I've known some very capable people who couldn't hack it in college, so they dropped out. I've worked with CS graduates whose code was always painful to review. And so on.
I am partial to the fundamentals you're exposed to in a CS curriculum, but (a) you can learn those anywhere and (b) it's never going to cover all the tools/skills/etc you'll need in an actual dev job. So I have to be mindful of my bias.
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I've seen interviewers bag on the school the candidate came from. I think this usually says more about the interviewer than the candidate.
One time I let my coworker dig himself a hole ranting about how a candidate came from a "cheap state school". I was seeing how long it would take for someone to point out how many of his fellow employees went to cheap state schools - myself included. It was gratifying watching him eat his own words as he tried to walk back his sweeping generalizations.
This can also come through as a bias against people without university degrees. True, a boot camp grad might not have enough experience for your role, but it's not because they came from a boot camp. Plenty of great employees come from nontraditional backgrounds.
I come from a background of a lot of school (probably too much), so I have to fight against this bias myself. A lot of people who have 4-year degrees don't demonstrate the sort of academic chops I secretly hope for during the interview (I wrote about one example here). At the same time, I've seen people without CS degrees walk circles around grads in reasoning their way through fundamentals.
It takes all kinds. 🙃
wow, being snotty about which school and not even which college/university. . . and the culture of CS Degree requirement is already bad enough as it is!
because, as you say, spending 4-years living that student life doesn't really in any way prepare you for what you actually do day-to-day as a dev.
no one will pay you for an abstract chess engine/ticketing system/academic OOD theory that has been coded before by >10,000 times by people much smarter than you.
To be clear, by "school" I did mean college/university. I'm happy to report I've never heard anyone bash on the grade/high school someone went to. 😅 (I'm from the US, in case someone's reading this coming from different nomenclature.)
One thing I can say for a 4-year degree is that it gives you time to practice coding in a way that a 12-week bootcamp doesn't. Literally just that one takes longer than the other. But there are so many confounding factors that it's still kind of a wash. You just have to evaluate on a case-by-base basis. Some people learn faster than others. Some people have spent a lot of informal time (outside of school/bootcamp/work/whatever) toying around with computers. I've known some very capable people who couldn't hack it in college, so they dropped out. I've worked with CS graduates whose code was always painful to review. And so on.
I am partial to the fundamentals you're exposed to in a CS curriculum, but (a) you can learn those anywhere and (b) it's never going to cover all the tools/skills/etc you'll need in an actual dev job. So I have to be mindful of my bias.