I think some of these comments are a good (and sad) reminder that just because someone is involved in the field of technology it doesn't mean they are as supportive as we believe them to be.
People are people, and no matter the field they will act as such, be it technology, art, whatever... we will always have more and less supportive people, even people who will not support anybody but themselves. You can't expect eveyone to be as supportive as you might want to, not everyone can. It's a shame, but it is what it is I guess...
At this point I don’t even expect support, it can not be forced. But I do expect people to be intelligent enough to ignore a pinned post about a topic they clearly don’t care about. Instead they go ahead and express their lack of empathy
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Strange because it doesn't feel like a fight of the "minorities" against the "majorities" at all to me.
I don't get pissed off if someone who is marginalized celebrates who they are, I'm happy to celebrate with them and will proudly do my best to help lift them up. It makes me feel a lot better to be compassionate and caring for marginalized people when they're celebrating who they are than it does to get upset and offended by them.
I have plenty of friends and family that are part of the LGBTQIA+ and Black communities, and I'm happy to celebrate with them and acknowledge the oppression that they have faced and continue to face. It's about being empathetic, compassionate, and absolutely about pushing for equality too.
You said it, intelligence. It's lacking now a days it seems. I've talked about this with friends and family lately. The phrase "We're evolving, but backwards" is more relevant than ever. Some of the coments in this thread show that...
I don't understand your analogy. It's pride month, the Dev team is proposing a fun activity to celebrate it. Does it feel like a yell because it is pinned?
This is kinda how it feels like.
I mean, you go to dev.to and the first thing you see is a big fat banner about "pride month", filling out most of the space. It is like an unrelated advertisment, which you have to explicitely click away. You have to opt-out, instead opt-in.
It is not so, that I can't ignore it. I can and I did it year after year. But now was the point, where I had to say what I think about it to support the other people, who think the same.
I mean, you are flooded almost everywhere with that stuff. The mainstream/internet is full with this agenda. It get's harder and harder to just simply "ignore" it.
It would be better, if there was a big fat pinned banner about some hot new software development stuff. That's what I'm interested in, when I visit a developer community site.
I know, I know ... I'm one of the bad guys here. (It's funny, how my first comment was marked as "low quality/non-constructive by the community", just because I have an opinion, which is not mainstream. Even, that I made clear, how a healthy society should behave.)
I mean, this is another thing: Most people don't think for themselves anymore or stand their ground.
Nowadays, it's all about to fulfill and support the current political agenda. And everybody, who don't want to get brainwashed, steps aside and say "no, not with me" is judged by the "social justice warriors".
I am sorry Christian, but I don't think your comment was maked as "low quality/non-constructive by the community" because your opinion is different but because you are clearly "dismissing or attacking inclusion-oriented requests" (which is very clearly stated in the Code of conduct). I mean, you use some pretty telling words: "political agenda", "brainwashed", "social justice warriors" and to pretend you're the victim here it's a bit of a stretch.
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I think some of these comments are a good (and sad) reminder that just because someone is involved in the field of technology it doesn't mean they are as supportive as we believe them to be.
People are people, and no matter the field they will act as such, be it technology, art, whatever... we will always have more and less supportive people, even people who will not support anybody but themselves. You can't expect eveyone to be as supportive as you might want to, not everyone can. It's a shame, but it is what it is I guess...
At this point I don’t even expect support, it can not be forced. But I do expect people to be intelligent enough to ignore a pinned post about a topic they clearly don’t care about. Instead they go ahead and express their lack of empathy
Strange because it doesn't feel like a fight of the "minorities" against the "majorities" at all to me.
I don't get pissed off if someone who is marginalized celebrates who they are, I'm happy to celebrate with them and will proudly do my best to help lift them up. It makes me feel a lot better to be compassionate and caring for marginalized people when they're celebrating who they are than it does to get upset and offended by them.
I have plenty of friends and family that are part of the LGBTQIA+ and Black communities, and I'm happy to celebrate with them and acknowledge the oppression that they have faced and continue to face. It's about being empathetic, compassionate, and absolutely about pushing for equality too.
You said it, intelligence. It's lacking now a days it seems. I've talked about this with friends and family lately. The phrase "We're evolving, but backwards" is more relevant than ever. Some of the coments in this thread show that...
protium said:
This is kinda how it feels like.
I mean, you go to dev.to and the first thing you see is a big fat banner about "pride month", filling out most of the space. It is like an unrelated advertisment, which you have to explicitely click away. You have to opt-out, instead opt-in.
It is not so, that I can't ignore it. I can and I did it year after year. But now was the point, where I had to say what I think about it to support the other people, who think the same.
I mean, you are flooded almost everywhere with that stuff. The mainstream/internet is full with this agenda. It get's harder and harder to just simply "ignore" it.
It would be better, if there was a big fat pinned banner about some hot new software development stuff. That's what I'm interested in, when I visit a developer community site.
I know, I know ... I'm one of the bad guys here. (It's funny, how my first comment was marked as "low quality/non-constructive by the community", just because I have an opinion, which is not mainstream. Even, that I made clear, how a healthy society should behave.)
I mean, this is another thing: Most people don't think for themselves anymore or stand their ground.
Nowadays, it's all about to fulfill and support the current political agenda. And everybody, who don't want to get brainwashed, steps aside and say "no, not with me" is judged by the "social justice warriors".
I am sorry Christian, but I don't think your comment was maked as "low quality/non-constructive by the community" because your opinion is different but because you are clearly "dismissing or attacking inclusion-oriented requests" (which is very clearly stated in the Code of conduct). I mean, you use some pretty telling words: "political agenda", "brainwashed", "social justice warriors" and to pretend you're the victim here it's a bit of a stretch.