Don't you think it's somewhat strange that you, a person who does not know Adam at all personally, is asserting that his true intentions are racist and sexist.
I... don't understand? How does unconscious bias NOT be a personal belief? Our biases are a product of our individual experiences. Adam's experiences are not the same as yours or mine. Unconscious bias is not a universal construct and is a product of culture, nurture and environment. As a non-American, I don't have the same biases as an American or a Canadian, conscious or unconscious
I'm not really talking about Adam Wathan. I'm talking about this specific comment. I feel Nicolas' criticism is right
This has only confused me more. This only seems like you're giving yourself a way out to be able to criticize Adam by using semantics. I don't want to be crass cause I assume you're coming from a place of constructive criticism but you seem to have assumed Adam's biases AND beliefs to make a fairly vicious comment. I also only say it's vicious because:
his response to Sara is absolutely rooted in his own biases to give the benefit of the doubt only to folks like himself
You use the word "absolutely" as if you know him and his biases. Maybe you do? If so you can correct me.
I'll correct my comment about "How does unconscious bias NOT be a personal belief". Unconscious bias may not be a belief but is is absolutely personal. I don't feel it is right that we assume someone's biases and then assume they're acting in bad faith. From what I have seen, Adam would react the same way regardless of who posted the article (and indeed has in the past which probably means he should stay off Twitter as whole cause it is a toxic cesspool)
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This only seems like you're giving yourself a way out to be able to criticize Adam by using semantics.
Why would I spend any time at all having civil, constructive discourse on what I wrote if that were the case? That's an unfair implication to make about what I'm doing here that dismisses everything else I've written and further clarified.
You use the word "absolutely" as if you know him and his biases.
I don't know him. I understand biases to be inherited biologically (prefer and feel safest with what is most like ourselves) and environmental (not limited to learned bigotry and prejudice, but rather, experiencing subtle societal expectations and behaviors influences expectations and behaviors, ie, expecting a mechanic to be a man simply because most mechanics are men). I am not, and would not, make assumptions about bigotry and prejudice, which is why I'm talking about a patriarchal white supremacist system, and specifically within the bounds of a very xenophobic country (the United States).
I don't feel it is right that we assume someone's biases and then assume they're acting in bad faith. From what I have seen, Adam would react the same way regardless of who posted the article
This is confusing to me. You don't want to assume someone is acting in bad faith, but what he wrote is "Thank you for choosing to use your platform to ruin my day 🥰" and I don't know how you can possibly believe that this is in good faith. If you assume he actually wanted to thank her for "choosing" to use her platform to "ruin his day", we still end up in the same conversation, though perhaps to a commentary about how narcissistic of a statement that would be, it still could not be said that it was made "in good faith".
And again, you're trying to drill down to Adam's character. I'm not, other than to say that he didn't "consider the optics" before he posted a public, toxic emotional response because we live in a system that doesn't force him to do so. You're calling his response an issue with who he is as a person, while I'm only calling on how we hold certain people accountable for their behavior and expect certain things of certain people in the society we live in. And there are three vectors of that here that led to this behavior (and the lack of apology for it) and that is a patriarchal society built on white supremacy and the toxic dogmatism that exists in the development community.
Yes, I've seen Adam respond emotionally to others who posted critical feedback of Tailwind. I haven't seen him do so in a passive-aggressive, entitled, manipulative way. And keep in mind that, again, it's deeper here than just him and his comment, it's also the people who defend his reaction and demonize Sara. The vast majority of that defense have the exact same power dynamics as Adam himself.
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Unconscious bias is not personal belief.
Don't you think it's somewhat strange that you, a person who does not know Adam at all personally, is asserting that his true intentions are racist and sexist.
I... don't understand? How does unconscious bias NOT be a personal belief? Our biases are a product of our individual experiences. Adam's experiences are not the same as yours or mine. Unconscious bias is not a universal construct and is a product of culture, nurture and environment. As a non-American, I don't have the same biases as an American or a Canadian, conscious or unconscious
I'm not really talking about Adam Wathan. I'm talking about this specific comment. I feel Nicolas' criticism is right
Personal beliefs are not unconscious.
This has only confused me more. This only seems like you're giving yourself a way out to be able to criticize Adam by using semantics. I don't want to be crass cause I assume you're coming from a place of constructive criticism but you seem to have assumed Adam's biases AND beliefs to make a fairly vicious comment. I also only say it's vicious because:
You use the word "absolutely" as if you know him and his biases. Maybe you do? If so you can correct me.
I'll correct my comment about "How does unconscious bias NOT be a personal belief". Unconscious bias may not be a belief but is is absolutely personal. I don't feel it is right that we assume someone's biases and then assume they're acting in bad faith. From what I have seen, Adam would react the same way regardless of who posted the article (and indeed has in the past which probably means he should stay off Twitter as whole cause it is a toxic cesspool)
Yeah I think OP is trolling ;-)
Why would I spend any time at all having civil, constructive discourse on what I wrote if that were the case? That's an unfair implication to make about what I'm doing here that dismisses everything else I've written and further clarified.
I don't know him. I understand biases to be inherited biologically (prefer and feel safest with what is most like ourselves) and environmental (not limited to learned bigotry and prejudice, but rather, experiencing subtle societal expectations and behaviors influences expectations and behaviors, ie, expecting a mechanic to be a man simply because most mechanics are men). I am not, and would not, make assumptions about bigotry and prejudice, which is why I'm talking about a patriarchal white supremacist system, and specifically within the bounds of a very xenophobic country (the United States).
This is confusing to me. You don't want to assume someone is acting in bad faith, but what he wrote is "Thank you for choosing to use your platform to ruin my day 🥰" and I don't know how you can possibly believe that this is in good faith. If you assume he actually wanted to thank her for "choosing" to use her platform to "ruin his day", we still end up in the same conversation, though perhaps to a commentary about how narcissistic of a statement that would be, it still could not be said that it was made "in good faith".
And again, you're trying to drill down to Adam's character. I'm not, other than to say that he didn't "consider the optics" before he posted a public, toxic emotional response because we live in a system that doesn't force him to do so. You're calling his response an issue with who he is as a person, while I'm only calling on how we hold certain people accountable for their behavior and expect certain things of certain people in the society we live in. And there are three vectors of that here that led to this behavior (and the lack of apology for it) and that is a patriarchal society built on white supremacy and the toxic dogmatism that exists in the development community.
Yes, I've seen Adam respond emotionally to others who posted critical feedback of Tailwind. I haven't seen him do so in a passive-aggressive, entitled, manipulative way. And keep in mind that, again, it's deeper here than just him and his comment, it's also the people who defend his reaction and demonize Sara. The vast majority of that defense have the exact same power dynamics as Adam himself.