Starting out with strictly typed languages, coming to JavaScript was a breath of fresh air - I much prefer it. I'd really like to see this not happen. Programming with strict types feels like programming in a straitjacket.
I'm a professional PHP, Python and Javascript developer from the UK. I've worked with Django, Laravel, and React, among others. I also maintain a legacy Zend 1 application.
My feelings on this subject are the opposite of that. I work mainly with PHP and using Psalm to catch type issues and enforce use of types has been incredibly useful - it's caught so many issues and made my code souch easier to understand. And any JavaScript type system will be optional, much like in PHP, so I don't imagine it will cause issues with existing code.
None of these developers seemed be around when there was no typescript and have no idea why JavaScript became the most popular language along with python. Magpies developers made Frontend coding the disaster that it is now.
I think with the large scaling up of javascript applications, types are 100% needed to eradicate a lot of bugs. That's not the only benefit but the key one. Mind you, javascript is way beyond just the Frontend.
Sorry but building real world, resilient & scalable applications require type safety. Thankfully there's fields like data science & cloud computing that I believe don't need this so you might enjoy those more in the long run if it's not your favourite
Define "long run"... I've been programming for 39 years, building real world desktop apps, websites, web apps etc. as a job for 28 years, and using JS for almost 26 of those.
Cool!
Please don't take this the wrong way but maybe that's the problem, you might be used to doing things in ways that are not suitable for the challenges the modern day web developer faces
How are the challenges I face on a daily basis in the 'modern day' software and websites I work on different from those of a 'modern day web developer'?
Using a typed language will not suddenly make your software bug free. Bugs are made by humans, and bugs are fixed by humans - they are not the fault of the language. If you understand the language you are working with, then you understand how to avoid its pitfalls, and how to take advantage of its strengths.
I used typed languages for a long time before coming to languages like JS, and the freedom and speed that is possible when you develop with them really is amazing, and truly liberating. Also, I cannot ever remember having any serious type related bugs in JS code that I've worked on.
If a lot of developers had really taken the time to really learn JS and work with it instead of fighting against it and trying to 'fix' it - I'm pretty sure front-end development would be a lot less like the unholy mess it is now.
yep, the same from my side. I came from low level, like asm/C/C++, then I did coding a lot in C# and now JS and Python. And boy should I say it's like a Christmas in July)) for those who are feel missing on strict typing just add C++ in your life, and you good to go!))
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Starting out with strictly typed languages, coming to JavaScript was a breath of fresh air - I much prefer it. I'd really like to see this not happen. Programming with strict types feels like programming in a straitjacket.
My feelings on this subject are the opposite of that. I work mainly with PHP and using Psalm to catch type issues and enforce use of types has been incredibly useful - it's caught so many issues and made my code souch easier to understand. And any JavaScript type system will be optional, much like in PHP, so I don't imagine it will cause issues with existing code.
None of these developers seemed be around when there was no typescript and have no idea why JavaScript became the most popular language along with python. Magpies developers made Frontend coding the disaster that it is now.
I think with the large scaling up of javascript applications, types are 100% needed to eradicate a lot of bugs. That's not the only benefit but the key one. Mind you, javascript is way beyond just the Frontend.
Sorry but building real world, resilient & scalable applications require type safety. Thankfully there's fields like data science & cloud computing that I believe don't need this so you might enjoy those more in the long run if it's not your favourite
Define "long run"... I've been programming for 39 years, building real world desktop apps, websites, web apps etc. as a job for 28 years, and using JS for almost 26 of those.
Cool!
Please don't take this the wrong way but maybe that's the problem, you might be used to doing things in ways that are not suitable for the challenges the modern day web developer faces
How are the challenges I face on a daily basis in the 'modern day' software and websites I work on different from those of a 'modern day web developer'?
Using a typed language will not suddenly make your software bug free. Bugs are made by humans, and bugs are fixed by humans - they are not the fault of the language. If you understand the language you are working with, then you understand how to avoid its pitfalls, and how to take advantage of its strengths.
I used typed languages for a long time before coming to languages like JS, and the freedom and speed that is possible when you develop with them really is amazing, and truly liberating. Also, I cannot ever remember having any serious type related bugs in JS code that I've worked on.
If a lot of developers had really taken the time to really learn JS and work with it instead of fighting against it and trying to 'fix' it - I'm pretty sure front-end development would be a lot less like the unholy mess it is now.
yep, the same from my side. I came from low level, like asm/C/C++, then I did coding a lot in C# and now JS and Python. And boy should I say it's like a Christmas in July)) for those who are feel missing on strict typing just add C++ in your life, and you good to go!))