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Discussion on: Becoming a female software engineer (who studied Geography)

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Pedro Boado

In my humble opinion, and using the not-always-compatible-with-software-world architecture example, almost anyone with basic bricklaying skills can build a ground floor house. You don't need any type of formal background in structure calculus, etc etc.

I mean, my grandfather built his own house and he didn't even know how to read.

That doesn't make someone an engineer. Solving problems at scale does. That's why my grandfather never called himself an architect :D.

It's sad, but now both a developer with 15 y.o. experience and a junior programmer can call themselves engineers. They can even use bigger words: architect, mogul, jedi, ninja...

Said that, if you are able to gain the right exposure and invest enough time in learning ( either via formal education, or self-taught ) you will reach a point where you'll be ready to build a skyscraper.

BTW, I believe your gender is irrelevant to the article .

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Leonardo Lima

The gender gap in our industry is HUGE and, in order to become a female software engineering, one must overcome other stereotypes that men don't usually face. As Angelika precisely pointed in the article:

So I often hear complaints that a lot of women raise. Two of it might be that they are not good at maths and that they are not smart enough to be an engineer.

I believe this is enough to point out that the gender in an article like this one is relevant.

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Pedro Boado • Edited

I agree there's a lot of gender gap in the industry. But that will be solved with more and more knowledgeable feminine role models in STEM ( and that begins in elementary school) . And not by saying "you know what, hey women, it doesn't matter you're not good at Math, you can still be a software engineer".

I could agree with a "hey, beings, you don't really need to be good at math to do frontend development" , though.

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Angelika Kinas

Yes sounds great what you propose. But let's think in reality. School sucks. Why is that? Because some teachers suck. I had a great math teacher, that's probably why I loved it and even started studying it for 4 semesters.
But after doing that and now being an engineer. I feel that it is not a basic requirement. The only basic requirement is your self-esteem and willingness to learn.

You cannot expect that anyone has an amazing degree because they went to an amazing school. Not everyone is that lucky in life.

What I am trying to do here is basically being Beyonce. Gender doesn't matter. I just want to share that I am in this field. That I have a voice and that other women can follow me. If they just see articles from men they might be frightened.

That's all I'm saying.
We can talk about quality in a different article. But I did not talk about how you become the best of the best. Let's start somewhere.

Anyways I would be more than happy if you could help building this STEM in schools. Will help everyone.

And you have your opinion and I do have mine and that's ok :)
I'm happy for the feedback.

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Angelika Kinas

Yes! Gender is irrelevant. But that's the point! If it is irrelevant why are so less women with me in the team?

I don't think it is sad that a Junior Programmer and a developer with 15 years of experience can call themselves engineers. Why is that sad? Everyone has to start somewhere.
If someone wants to stress that they have more experience they can call themselves Senior or Stack or anything.

I think it really helps to call yourself what you want to become. If you cannot see yourself as an engineer how will you be able to reach there?

And speaking of names. Calling someone a junior might already affect of how they see themselves, their quality of work and their opinion. At least it was like this for me.

I feel very happy to hear the story of your grandfather. He is a doer! He did not care about how anyone would call him :)

And I completely agree, if you invest enough time and hard work, you can do anything :)

Let's do that!!