GitHub's AI pair programmer tool Copilot, has moved from Insider Preview status to prime-time Production for all. With this move, Copilot is now ye...
For further actions, you may consider blocking this person and/or reporting abuse
If Copilot is truly useful, $10 is really nothing in terms of developer productivity.
That being said, I hope a fully open source alternative springs up — this is the kind of tool that absolutely should be open and hackable. (The open source version still needs to cost something, maybe even more than $10 because AI compute ain't free).
Totally down for an Open Source version of it, without all of its magic being hidden inside a blackbox.
I think an open source machine learning model wouldn't explain as much as you want. What I wish Microsoft to do, is to increase the transparency what material and from which platforms the model has been trained on.
I think you can look over this.
openai.com/blog/openai-codex/
arxiv.org/abs/2107.03374
To be honest I don't wanna spend on copilot and already stopped using it.
It was fun, yes, i learned a lots of things, including promises, learned vuex nuxt, vue too and I'm actually js allergic, still am. 😂
It was a good tool but, it never worked correctly, there is always a chance of it not working properly,or providing correct solutions, or finding anything at all. It's normal i know. Also the way i used copilot was like a dictionary and i don't think that I'd like to pay for a dictionary while it is on internet as well, for free, with some extra steps. Clara copilot does same but uses stack overflow.
This is actually quite interesting. I so far haven't come across anyone else who has used Copilot to learn something new in the JS world. Mostly, everyone else (myself included), seem to be using it mostly for contextual autocomplete and alternate suggestions.
Just curious, did you find learning with Copilot to be easier/more intuitive? And how's suggestions from Clara Copilot? From initial Googling, it certainly looks interesting enough to give it a shot.
Haha well i am a weird bunch so ye u do things unexpected. And yes i think i found learning with copilot easier. I did started learning with tutorials but I'd get bored in few minutes. Here with copilot, i learned by doing.
Say im writing code to fetch data from backend, I'd just write
method: {}and then function name and let copilot suggest, after that I'll dissect code and understand how it's working and why. This way it is much clear to me what exactly is happening, since in real life, to do list is not gonna be implemented. And let's be honest, to do list tutorials doesn't teach much either way.Clara copilot is a good alternative. Not the best but it does save me some time searching around. Type what you want to search of, then select it and then ctrl shift p, search snippet. Though it's still a miss or hit but anyways it works, kind of 😂 it uses codegrepper api to perform search.
github.com/badboysm890/clara-copilot
You might want to add the discussion tag to the post to increase visibility.
Personally I'm going to stop using co-pilot, whilst it's a powerful tool it's basically just a powerful auto complete feature which I don't feel justifies $10 a month.
Thanks for tip regarding discussion tag, this was a question I just had in my head and I wanted to poll the community on it.
I've loved every second of it. For example I had 4 different files, each for GET, POST, PATCH, and DELETE.
I wrote the first GET file, and then was able to just press tab to essentially auto complete the 3 remaining files. I love it.
I agree with this sentiment. Plenty of times, over the past 5 months, that I've been working in a project and Copilot was there alongside me making my life all the more easier.
Well, Copilot been very useful and once, the thing is if you are doing freelancing stuff then I would recommend it as $10 is not large for that. Apart from that for regular/hobby daily job it may be costly. But the thing is it's addictive and specially the code generation part. So use with care, because it affect work/result(+) and coding skill/speed(-).
So basically if you generating enough revenue from it than go for it.
That's reasonable and definitely makes sense. I'm personally curious about people's thoughts on it, considering the Insider Preview had a sizeable userbase from what I can understand.
I thought it was neat, but honestly use it more like a party trick than a vital part of my workflow. I picked up the 60 day trial, but won't be paying for it when that ends.
That's certainly fair. I've always felt that Copilot should not be a vital part of your workflow, rather just a helper sitting on your shoulder. I'll continue using it till I decide to stop.
On a side note: I've found Coplit to be a tad bit agressive in its suggestions at times. Maybe a something like setting levels of suggestions being provided.
It’s funny… I both am and am not a good customer-fit.
Am: Not a real developer, would benefit from the feature.
Not: Not a real developer, so unlikely to pay $10pm for it.
I know exactly when you mean.
I'm a hobbyist developer (not even sure if this term is even real), and I've come really appreciate having the Typescript compiler and Copilot on my shoulders. One of them is very strict whilst the other provides useful suggestions.
For now, I'll continue using Copilot, and will probably axe it only if it starts to become a financial burden.
There is no free plan for personal developer, so I uninstalled it from my VS Code today. Farewell GitHub Copilot.
Fair fair, completely understandable. A few people I work with still have their student emails and are going to continue getting some use out Copilot using them.
Hey, thanks for bringing this discussion, I'm curious about the results.
BTW I'd pay for sure, the tool is amazing.
Freelancer here. I'm pretty sure I will. It's definitely been a time saver for me. Writing crud apps or a data pipeline seems to tie in well with it's capabilities.
That's nice to hear. I've also found the same to be true. Using it in both REST and GraphQL projects, I've found its contextual autocomplete to be quite accurate. It likely has something to do with projects having a bunch of repeated code/patterns in it.
Subscriptions, that bane of our existence....
I'll also continue using it till I feel like it needs to be axed to save on financials 😵.
For my personal projects and playing at home with stuff, definitely not worth the 10 bucks. I wish it had a free tier, similar to TabNine.
For work, I do like it. If I convince my company to pay for it, I'd definitely like to keep using it. But it's not something I can sell like "the bets tool ever, I'll increase my productivity by 20% and you get more features from me because of it". But it will be rather like "Can the company afford 10$ monthly for each developer in my team? Buy this then. No? Alright...."
I used it for a while and I didn't find it useful enough to pay $10.
That's certainly interesting, since most people I've spoken to that have used Copilot for over a week, and had rave reviews regarding it.
Either ways, its $10 saved. Can't hate on that 😄.
What programming languages did you use? My personal experience is that the offers are very useful for python or PHP, but less so for dotnet.
I used it with Javascript mostly, It was a useful autocomplete but definitely not worth $10, maybe because the value of $10 is much more compare to other regions.
Makes sense. It really is one-part autocomplete, and one-part contextual guessing.
I'm in Sri Lanka, and we are having abit of a dollar crisis, so I understand what you mean regarding the value of that $10 🥲.
Honestly, yes I would if 10 USD didn't cost a ton here. It's 100% worthwhile given the productivity benefits. Sometimes so help given that it figures out what I need even before the vscode intellisenses comes into play and that speaks volumes
No ! Dont let it practice on you ! It will take all of our jobs !
All jokes aside, CP is awasome. It lets you focus on the big task, similar to high level programing languages that use a garbage collector, for an example.
Code away !
For me personally it can't support me enough yet, so I would disagree. I isn't worth that 10 bucks a month for me personally. For a company and if it really speeds up you productivity, this subscription is really nothing for this potentially powerful tool. Nevertheless I will continue to use it time to time as long as it's free for students.
The question I have about Copilot is what is the implications of using code produced by it?
Under what license did Microsoft obtain the training data? Under what license does that generated code fall under?
Is it a derived work?
Been using it since November and it’s gotten to the point where it’s become so useful, paying for it isn’t actually a choice.
This thing was really good with Android Studio (Java-Kotlin both). I want to subscribe to it but 10 USD/month is quite costly for India. If it could have been 20-30 USD / year I would have immediately subscribed to it.
To give you an idea how much 10 USD is here is, I can buy dinner for 2 in a higher end restaurant with it. So not worth it.
I am liking someone's idea here to ask my employer to buy this, but I don't think that is happening.
It's useful enough to charge my employer for the cost. Otherwise, I'd pass.
Oooh, that's a response I haven't gotten yet. Thank for sharing.
Out of curiosity, has anyone else in your team wisened up and also gotten your employer to get Copilot for them? (Its cool if you don't answer this, especially since it relates to your employment)
Since Copilot just announced it is going to be a paid product, we haven't gotten around to it yet. But, we've been able to have other developer tools covered.
I will continue. Saves me more $$$ worth of time than 10$ a month. So easy math here.
Absolutely agree. It obviously depends on a developers rate, but a $50/hr dev would only need to save 12 minutes to break even. One successful suggestion could save 5 minutes of searching for “that one property/method/etc.”
I have saved hundreds of 10second increments while coding with copilot just because I don’t have to type out so much. On top of the help for correct property names or idiomatic approaches for unfamiliar libraries, it’s a win-win in my book.
I do get CoPilot for free though, as a member of an org that is maintaining a popular open-source library.
For those of you who value CoPilot but can’t fork out $10/mo: can you afford to help maintain a popular open source library?
I’ll stop using it, not because it isn’t cool but the parts that are useful for me are hardly worth it