In terms of data laws and the future of the global Internet, I'm wondering how you feel about these issues.
Let's keep the conversation respectful and not try to litigate every geopolitical issue involved. ๐
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I had to look this up. I'm out of touch with the kids these days.
I don't really see how it'd work. You can't stop people installing an app, can you? How would that even work? Pulling it from the store won't slow people down. If they try it it'll backfire. It'll be like the Streisand effect.
I presume there are measures for enforcing sanctions that Apple and Google etc. have to follow.
Unless the USA were to implement China-esque Internet restrictions (which I assume is not on the table, and would be tremendously ironic) you wouldn't restrict TikTok's websiteโ but TikTok is mostly just a native mobile app.
In India you can download TikTok from 3rd party resources but can't access it on
Indian Service provider, and if you wish to Try out VPN and this is what Lead TikTok and China Down.
Ofcourse everyone will not work hard to use application with VPN..
Then I guess what would happen is that a US version would appear to fill the vacuum. If it was made as a clone now it wouldn't gain traction against TikTok but if TikTok was banned, maybe it would.
You mean like Instagramโs new โreelโ feature that just got released 4 days ago?? ๐ค
Link: about.instagram.com/blog/announcem...
I'd have to disagree on that last part. People can install apps, even if they remove it from the play store or app store. Just like you movie publishers can't so piracy of their movies. Piracy exists on the dark web and centralized web. I am certain you can find APK mirrors of Tik Took online. Same with the IPA files. Such is the beauty of the internet or as Snowden calls it in his book "Permanent Record. "
The political front to it all seems to be unsubstantiated and petty. I would be more interested in how the app stores monitor behaviour that violate data privacy laws and cross big ethical boundaries, it should begin with them for sure. There are different versions of apps depending on the country attached to your account, but it's hard to tell if that makes a difference in adhering to national laws.
My biggest concern would probably be the scenario where the admin realizes that if they were able to do this, they start using this as a hammer and seeing everything as a nail.
Hii, I am fron India
The situation in India is kind of 200+ Chinese Applications are banned after the military tension of India and China regarding the border in the covid Pandemic.
Tik tok Ban/ China's Tension
Recently Indian Government banned TikTok and personally I feel it is a good action as various news came about TikTok spying.
+ve Affect of Tik Tok Ban in India
I have been playing Pubg for last 2 years and a lot of news came of Pubg spying data leaking etc etc.. but no action was taken as people consider Pubg is Chinese, but just after Tik Tok Ban Pubg Released a New update sperately for Indian Users.
Which states that
For Indian Users Pubg will Use Local storage for Storing important information'sA Dorzens of Chinese application's are involved in data leaking but how the Tech Giant Tencent changed it Policy in 30 Days who was not able to change for last 2 years?
Can we do tit for tat?
Just like China does
No Google Apps in Chinacan we too copy china and ask forNo Chinese App in World?Important
I don't know the situation with China and I am not blaming any Chinese guy this is just a common issue with Chinese Gov, policy or whatever so please accept this as a healthy Discuss already Ben mentioned it Above, don't get offended.
Thank You.
We love Chinese people but not Culprits ๐
Great analysis
Thanks a lot man
Google and FB are spying on you, its fine but China (if they are doing) its not fine for you. What a hypocrites...
This ain't something like Hypocrisy,
Spying is normal they need data's to train models, to learn about users trend that's all fine at a level where Google and Facebook rest themselves, but what about Tok-Tok?
China is using Tik Tok as a Poision in India, spying soliders activity and capturing border is that what Google or Facebook are doing?
Whatever the sense is You are not safe with your data, your country government is spying on you that's fair in side of Human Welfare and peace.
China is misusing the data to Rule over the world, Tik Talk also raised a lot issue with Carding is that what Google and Facebook did?
Also Facebook comes under a Clain of data leak and the investigations are going on in that but are you going to claim To China For Tik Tok? Or for Covid Spread no Cause you are Self Proclaimed Good Man, Right?
Also you can't cause you have a lot of time to call it hypocrisy rather then claims are knowing the origin.
Thanks You @Idress
Even if Google and Facebook are spying I have no issue.
That's the issue. Google and FB are fine with you as you have no hate towards them but to Chinese you have...And when was the last time you heared an action been taken again FB and Google ? they are US companies and just playing dramma on Media and showing to people that US cares and the rest of the world is privacy hell. Anyway you were asking for thoughts so my thought is these big brothers are worse than China and its just coincidence that you haven't face issues with them...
This is more a political issue, but I don't really think that Facebook and Instagram don't spy on us. All these social networks control us and make us want to use it every day and post everything we are doing in our daily routine. Tik Tok or Facebook is the same, the idea is that America fights with China, read the case with Huawei. Isn't it pretty the same. I will just take advantage of having a Tik Tok acc over 500 k followers due to Helpwyz's service and I will just make money as I have done before their issue. I live in Germany, so things are different here. All is possible!
Just wanted to add more information surrounding this situation:
ref
If the service is free, the product is you.
As ew know, in dev.to there are sponsors. But it does not have a sponsor. How the money comes?
Truly somes up every centralized application and service
From a theoretical perspective I don't have a huge problem, the CCP blocks numerous foreign internet companies from operating inside its borders for political and economic reasons, and has done for a long time. Not sure the pretext that Trump is using for the ban, but there are real political concerns about Chinese companies and their relationship to the CCP.
So I suspect the actual reason for the ban is probably Trump's xenophobia and having a talking point to rally the base in an election year, not some deep concern about TikTok itself.
That's definitely a valid point. Politics just filters all the noise. If Tik Tok was the predefined recipe for rigging the elections, it's a piece of cake.
If you haven't already, I'd recommend taking a look at this privacy analysis of TikTok. It pretty much put the nail in the coffin that I would never install this app and I warn any of my loved ones about it:
rufposten.de/blog/2019/12/05/priva...
How is this a nail in the coffin? It's standard for any social network and most modern applications. Almost every app (desktop, mobile, or web) sends a massive amount of telemetry back home. Is it right? No. But it's happening everywhere.
I havenโt made a decision one way or the other. I think as a free democracy itโs a fine line banning a private company enjoyed by millions for what โcouldโ be.
However, I understand the concern. It does have potential for abuse and the US has consumer protection laws and regulation for a reason. The Chinese Communist Party pasted a law in 2015 that allows the CCP to obtain personal data from Chinese owned companies. That with the reported poor data collection practice TikTok allegedly engages in and the large number of users in the United States does open the potential risk for abuse by CCP.
More about the specific law โIn 2015, China passed a National Security Law, which included a provision to give police the authority to demand companies let them bypass encryption or other security tools to access personal dataโ sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/...
I believe the way they said they would go about the ban would be to make it illegal to engage in business with the parent companies ByteDance and Tencent. Essentially US companyโs would have to comply or run the risk of legal action.
Its political theater.
US companies are selling our infos to the Government.
True. To some degree, the USA doesn't want your info to go China because they want more of it. All these companies are looking to control or have a piece of your life.
I agree completely.
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