Now I can see that many issues you had where history related. You mention docker but then also not working on FreeBSD or such. Most of these things are not there anymore given docker, fatJars and recent movement towards using less reflection but mainly new versions of Java and JVM. I don't really understand people dragging old issues. It's like saying C# is bad because you need Windows yet here we are in 2021. So yes there was a lot of bad things in Java libraries, for example I personally can mention writting desktop app in Java but for usage with MS SQL Server 2008. Yeah, .jar libs had DLLs inside of them as a driver which meant Windows only. So is that JVM not running or people doing dumb stuff? Why, write, put a DLL and do a call to native driver? That's what was wrong.
But to put it in perspective, node modules are heavier than the black hole and Node sucks up way more resources on big processing where data is not 2KB JSON but 1GB and such. It's simply incorrect that it drains nore resources than Node or such. Maybe true in simple cases with smaller data. There's a use case for everything. They also, as I said have way too many ports from rust and c. So does Python, so does PHP. So bashing Java for it you bash those languages as well. As to why it's hard to accept that this is the case with others but easy to hate Java beats me.
I have enormous amount of porting problems today with PHP apps and as a solution we're rewiring it into something that can be put in docker easily. And yes some of it is Java. And first thing to notice is usage of 1.8 while we're in te year od 17 being stable soon. Why do people do this beats me.
Overall, there is a lot of porting issues with some Java libs as I explained, and even Go might be better here, it's really unrealistic to ignore same problems you mentioned with other languages. Again I had those with Python, PHP, and Node. Java's main selling point might have been "write once run anywhere" but it's 2021 and we need to compare todays version and point of view.
I really like that someone is able to have a discussion of it and I'm not defending Java as I have a lot of complaints about it as well but JVM is at the bottom of it and it's resource consumption. I just don't like being too unrealistic and ignoring that a lot of things have same problems so I comment.
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Now I can see that many issues you had where history related. You mention docker but then also not working on FreeBSD or such. Most of these things are not there anymore given docker, fatJars and recent movement towards using less reflection but mainly new versions of Java and JVM. I don't really understand people dragging old issues. It's like saying C# is bad because you need Windows yet here we are in 2021. So yes there was a lot of bad things in Java libraries, for example I personally can mention writting desktop app in Java but for usage with MS SQL Server 2008. Yeah, .jar libs had DLLs inside of them as a driver which meant Windows only. So is that JVM not running or people doing dumb stuff? Why, write, put a DLL and do a call to native driver? That's what was wrong.
But to put it in perspective, node modules are heavier than the black hole and Node sucks up way more resources on big processing where data is not 2KB JSON but 1GB and such. It's simply incorrect that it drains nore resources than Node or such. Maybe true in simple cases with smaller data. There's a use case for everything. They also, as I said have way too many ports from rust and c. So does Python, so does PHP. So bashing Java for it you bash those languages as well. As to why it's hard to accept that this is the case with others but easy to hate Java beats me.
I have enormous amount of porting problems today with PHP apps and as a solution we're rewiring it into something that can be put in docker easily. And yes some of it is Java. And first thing to notice is usage of 1.8 while we're in te year od 17 being stable soon. Why do people do this beats me.
Overall, there is a lot of porting issues with some Java libs as I explained, and even Go might be better here, it's really unrealistic to ignore same problems you mentioned with other languages. Again I had those with Python, PHP, and Node. Java's main selling point might have been "write once run anywhere" but it's 2021 and we need to compare todays version and point of view.
I really like that someone is able to have a discussion of it and I'm not defending Java as I have a lot of complaints about it as well but JVM is at the bottom of it and it's resource consumption. I just don't like being too unrealistic and ignoring that a lot of things have same problems so I comment.