From my experience, I can recommend you the following;
If you need a raise: first, look for a better job opportunity elsewhere. Why? Because you need the money. You believe you need to be paid more for your position and responsabilities, but you don't know if the company have specific salary ranges for that position and won't go above the limit. So, go after the money. Trust me, if you wouldn't need the money, you wouldn't be thinking about a raise.
Once you have that opportunity, you can go to your boss and ask for a raise:
"Hey boss, is this a bad time to talk?" (works every time you need to talk to someone). And then, you simply say "I need a raise. I've been working hard at this position and I believe I should earn more for this position and responsabilities I have".
Don't go around. Be polite but go straight to the point. Be ready for the "No". If the company says "Yes", then you win. If the company says "No", then you say "Oh, ok. thank you for your time" and go back to your chair. You will then accept the new offer.
You have to search for the thing you want. Do not expect a company will give it to you.
There's a problem with this approach - your manager says "i need to check it with my upper management, it's not my call"
Then for 2-3 weeks there's no response, but other company cannot wait. Then you have hope and you decline the offer. Then your manager is going back to you and tries to negotiate. Or they say the promotion is coming next quarter, or something else.
To not let this happen, initially put a deadline on you manager's response. Same as you have from the other company.
If they don't come back to you - leave. No regrets.
This is something that could happen. I really take your word and what I can say is that this approach might not work on every case. The main message here is that change must come from us (me, you, the author of the post, etc), and not the company. So, to analyze your example:
It may not be a good strategy to explicitly put a deadline on your boss/manager's answer because that would trigger an alarm to the superiors telling them that the employee have another proposal. And I always keep in mind that no one is indispensable. Therefore, the employee should keep the deadline for him/herself. Then, when the time runs out, the employee should know what to do (that is: to take the new offer).
The hiring process of a company will usually take like 2 weeks (average). From the initial interview with the candidate, the review of the CV with HR and the department that needs the person; to the final offer. This time can be longer if the negotiation takes some detours. And yes, the employee would have to use his sick day or something to attend the interview with the new company.
Considering these points, I would first apply to new jobs and then talk to the boss asking a raise (without having an opportunity). If I get a positive answer from the company soon, then I don't have to switch job. In the meanwhile, I would receive some opportunities and choose.
Maybe i wasn't clear, I'm commenting this part of you advise
Don't go around. Be polite but go straight to the point. Be ready for the "No". If the company says "Yes", then you win. If the company says "No", then you say "Oh, ok. thank you for your time" and go back to your chair. You will then accept the new offer.
Oh! I see! Sorry for not getting that at first. But I took your feedback to make a new analysis. I really like to dive in into this trains of thoughts 😅
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From my experience, I can recommend you the following;
If you need a raise: first, look for a better job opportunity elsewhere. Why? Because you need the money. You believe you need to be paid more for your position and responsabilities, but you don't know if the company have specific salary ranges for that position and won't go above the limit. So, go after the money. Trust me, if you wouldn't need the money, you wouldn't be thinking about a raise.
Once you have that opportunity, you can go to your boss and ask for a raise:
"Hey boss, is this a bad time to talk?" (works every time you need to talk to someone). And then, you simply say "I need a raise. I've been working hard at this position and I believe I should earn more for this position and responsabilities I have".
Don't go around. Be polite but go straight to the point. Be ready for the "No". If the company says "Yes", then you win. If the company says "No", then you say "Oh, ok. thank you for your time" and go back to your chair. You will then accept the new offer.
You have to search for the thing you want. Do not expect a company will give it to you.
I hope you the best!
There's a problem with this approach - your manager says "i need to check it with my upper management, it's not my call"
Then for 2-3 weeks there's no response, but other company cannot wait. Then you have hope and you decline the offer. Then your manager is going back to you and tries to negotiate. Or they say the promotion is coming next quarter, or something else.
To not let this happen, initially put a deadline on you manager's response. Same as you have from the other company.
If they don't come back to you - leave. No regrets.
This is something that could happen. I really take your word and what I can say is that this approach might not work on every case. The main message here is that change must come from us (me, you, the author of the post, etc), and not the company. So, to analyze your example:
It may not be a good strategy to explicitly put a deadline on your boss/manager's answer because that would trigger an alarm to the superiors telling them that the employee have another proposal. And I always keep in mind that no one is indispensable. Therefore, the employee should keep the deadline for him/herself. Then, when the time runs out, the employee should know what to do (that is: to take the new offer).
The hiring process of a company will usually take like 2 weeks (average). From the initial interview with the candidate, the review of the CV with HR and the department that needs the person; to the final offer. This time can be longer if the negotiation takes some detours. And yes, the employee would have to use his sick day or something to attend the interview with the new company.
Considering these points, I would first apply to new jobs and then talk to the boss asking a raise (without having an opportunity). If I get a positive answer from the company soon, then I don't have to switch job. In the meanwhile, I would receive some opportunities and choose.
Maybe i wasn't clear, I'm commenting this part of you advise
Other than that you advice is pretty solid.
Oh! I see! Sorry for not getting that at first. But I took your feedback to make a new analysis. I really like to dive in into this trains of thoughts 😅