if you are in a table with 9 persons, and one nazi sits on the table, than you have 10 nazis
Same logic would then apply to radical leftists. Ergo, if you have 8 people, one radical right-winger and one radical left-winger sitting on a table, you have 10 radical left-and-right-wingers, and, for all we know, 8 of them don't even know it yet.
If you think that sounds stupid, then you're on a good way to understand why the comment makes no sense whatsoever.
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That's a very literal interpretation and I think misses the gist of what the phrase is about.
This is a German phrase and I think it's explained pretty well here:
Not quite a saying, more of a folk wisdom. Most Germans believe, that Nazism isn’t a reasonable opinion, which can be discussed, but a crime, which should be avoided.
I guess, that’s what Jens Foell wanted to say here: If you associate yourself with a Nazi, act like Nazism is just an opinion like any other opinions or accept some Nazi ideas as a thinkable alternative, then you are going to pave the Nazis their way to power, like many Germans did in the 1930s.
Not only the dyed-in-wool Nazis brought Hitler to power, but also the people who were indifferent concerning the threads toward democracy or who sympathised with some of the Nazi ideas and thought about the rest of the Nazi ideology: “It won’t be that bad, right?” Those people are also guilty to bring Hitler into power.
We Germans know that. We studied our own history. So we do know, that you have to say to Nazis: You have no place here! You are none of us! You are the enemy of democracy! Nazis raus!
Not quite a saying, more of a folk wisdom. Most Germans believe, that Nazism isn’t a reasonable opinion, which can be discussed, but a crime, which should be avoided.
I already disagree with that statement. Most Germans, and most people in general, don't believe nazism is a reasonable opinion, but I don't think many believe it to be a crime.
As for why I disagree with the saying:
People on the left these days often do actually believe that any meaningful interaction with a nazi is already a crime that should be punished by harassment, mostly online but sometimes even physical. That won't get us anywhere and if anything will just paint the baddies as the lesser evil, which is the last thing we should want.
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I don't think it paints the baddies as the lesser evil when you refuse to tolerate their expressing of Nazi views. If you're at a table where a Nazi starts expressing their views, you can tell them that their views aren't welcome or leave the table. I think the phrase is about not being complicit or silent while these views are expressed.
It actually is a crime to express Nazi beliefs in Germany — the legal concept of "Volksverhetzung" that's talked about in this article.
We can both agree on:
Nazi raus!
I generally feel like it's a waste of time and energy to try and convert a Nazi to reasonable beliefs.
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Same logic would then apply to radical leftists. Ergo, if you have 8 people, one radical right-winger and one radical left-winger sitting on a table, you have 10 radical left-and-right-wingers, and, for all we know, 8 of them don't even know it yet.
If you think that sounds stupid, then you're on a good way to understand why the comment makes no sense whatsoever.
That's a very literal interpretation and I think misses the gist of what the phrase is about.
This is a German phrase and I think it's explained pretty well here:
I already disagree with that statement. Most Germans, and most people in general, don't believe nazism is a reasonable opinion, but I don't think many believe it to be a crime.
As for why I disagree with the saying:
People on the left these days often do actually believe that any meaningful interaction with a nazi is already a crime that should be punished by harassment, mostly online but sometimes even physical. That won't get us anywhere and if anything will just paint the baddies as the lesser evil, which is the last thing we should want.
That one has my unconditional thumbs up though.
I don't think it paints the baddies as the lesser evil when you refuse to tolerate their expressing of Nazi views. If you're at a table where a Nazi starts expressing their views, you can tell them that their views aren't welcome or leave the table. I think the phrase is about not being complicit or silent while these views are expressed.
It actually is a crime to express Nazi beliefs in Germany — the legal concept of "Volksverhetzung" that's talked about in this article.
We can both agree on:
I generally feel like it's a waste of time and energy to try and convert a Nazi to reasonable beliefs.