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Discussion on: 5 Absolutely FREE Projects YOU should do to become a Full Stack SUPERMAN/SUPERWOMAN before the 2020 ends !!!

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Ben Sinclair

I'm not a fan of phrases like this, like "rockstar" or "ninja", etc.
I'd like to comment on this particular one though: it's very gendered. It's very "bro".
I can't imagine anyone making a post called "How to become a full stack Wonder Woman" without raising eyebrows, so I'm going to raise my eyebrow at this one.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

BTW updated the title.

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catalin560

how is this a valid critic? you completely ignored the content... the title was obviously meant as a joke...

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Tohzt

Don't strain your forehead raising that eyebrow...

Be proud of your incredibly petty complaint. But if a women is turned away from programming because she doesn't like the use of a fictional male figure in place of a fictional female ane, then she doesn't have the logical thinking skills to be interested in this field.

And to be honest, I doubt many women have a problem with what you're complaining about. They either want to learn about this topic, so they look into it. Or they don't, so they don't.

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Maxim

I like how they tagged this comment as non-constructive. Made my day

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Haha. Your comment can create controversies.

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Tohzt

That's fine. Doesn't take much heat to melt a snowflake 🤷‍♂️

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temilola • Edited

As a woman it is your whole attitude Tohtz that makes working with a person like you not possible. I bet you when you work with women you set standards that you can't even meet. You think that by being a jerk you are being equitable and that you are tough. No you are not. In this case, there is nothing wrong with pointing out to include women. A lot of us like the fact that we are women especially in a field that was first mainly female. The only snowflake are boys like you who feel the need to pretend they know what women will be offended by. Asking for an honorable mention IS not a political offense.

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Tohzt

Congratulations on making assumptions so you have something to complain about. Tell me, what standards do I set for others that I can't meet myself?

If a women wants to read an article about tips on progressing with full-stack development, she would not be deterred because the title mentioned superman and not superwoman... It's rather petty to say otherwise, and quite a disrespectful statement about women.

Keep in mind, this is a topic within the context of programming. A paradigm that requires logical thinking. And bitching about the genitals in a fake clickbait superhero does not make for a logical train of thought.

I studied computer science with plenty of women. They were badass individuals who loved programming. Not really the type to let something this insignificant get in their way.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Yeah I agree on that man but what can we do with the people. They will keep poking their nose in irrelevant matters.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Ahan. That was not that much serious gal! I have included women too in the title. I have been working with Gals in the programming and one of them is my role model too.

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Ben Calder

Saeed: if you post articles that perpetuate the idea that the dev industry is the preserve of some special elite (or people aiming to be part of it): be it code bros'; superheros; ninjas; whatever... whether intentionally or not you are part of a problem. The fact that you are backing up someone making overtly misogynistic comments also doesn't do you any favours.

You're posting on a public forum; so expect people to "poke their nose in" when you cross a fairly obvious line. People are not simply trying to "prove you wrong"; they're trying to educate you.

If it's not obvious to you why, and you're not willing to learn from others, then take some responsibility and educate yourself. Find out why using diminutives ("girls", "gals" etc.) to talk about women - whilst you use superlatives to talk about a largely male contingent - has for some an exclusionary effect. Discover why humility, patience and understanding are far better personality traits to cultivate for a developer than striving to become a ninja, superhero fullstack dev.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Yeah that's completely okay and I appreciate that. I am not on anyone's side. I was just trying to justify that if I didn't include SUPERWOMAN in my title, that was not intentional. Hope you will try to understand my point as well. Now this discussion is completely out of context. My intention was to give beginners a list of tutorials and that's successful. If you can see I have also used the words SUPERWOMAN in the title and you can see my other comments too how I interact with women. So, you are correct in your stance too but I expect you to my understand my point as well.

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Tohzt

Ben, the only ones with the "overtly misogynistic comments" are the ones saying that women aren't capable of going after what they want unless there is a female mentioned in the title.. Your white-knighting and virtue-signaling are not only pathetic but disrespectful to women.

Bitch about something that's actually problematic. And have a bit more confidence in women. They are as capable as men in many ways. If something interests me, I'm not going to let the word 'princess' in the article header stop me. Nor will a woman who's interested in the content of this article be thwarted by the word 'superman'. Your petty nonsense helps no one. Your desire to believe that women are inferior is counter to the message you pretend to stand for.

Do better.

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Ben Calder

Tohzt. Where did I say that women aren't capable of going after what they want?
I'm just suggesting that we can make the industry more welcoming if we tone down the overtly macho language. If I'm being disrespectful to women by suggesting that then I'll apologise: but I want to hear it from an established member of this community and not someone who - from what I can see - joined with the sole intent of trolling this thread.

You said:

They are as capable as men in many ways.

So by implication you're saying that there are some ways in which women aren't as capable as men? That looks like an overtly misogynistic comment to me...

You can read a woman's view on this topic in Technically wrong; and there are plenty of other women rightly complaining about the male-centric language used in the dev community.

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lshem16

This is a pretty misogynistic attitude tbh.

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Tohzt

On the contrary. I think women are mature enough to look past such petty details. They wouldn't let something as benign as a fictional characters gender get in the way of them perusing their interests.

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lshem16

I am glad you feel confident speaking for how women should and will react to stuff.

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Tohzt

Are you suggesting they aren't as competent as I believe? Sounds pretty misogynistic to me...

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Noooo. Woman are great specially programmmer Gals!!!

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lshem16

FWIW your original title was fine, although "Superhero" would have probably side-stepped the whole thing. But troll dudes speaking on behalf of all women... Fuck that noise. Tech's got enough issues without codebros lifting their leg and peeing on everything.

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catalin560 • Edited

@lshem16 could you shut the fuck up...
I'm glad there are still people like @Tohzt that speak the truth and doesn't get offended by the mention of a character... maybe you don't want to be a Superman, that's okay, but don't you insult everybody else...
@lshem16 you're the troll here...

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Thanks bro. I don't know why people would assume things about people and ignore the context.

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Sooz Richman • Edited

Agreed. Superhero is a simple non-gendered replacement for the title. But so is rockstar. I was going to say "ninja" too but now I know that is a male gender name for someone of those skills after reading further in the comments.

Regardless, thanks for sharing the free tutorial info!

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Dan

Get over yourself dude. These are community provided works, and free. If you are looking for malice and to be offended, you'll always find it.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Yep all projects are free!!!

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Oh it's not like that. I just included the word 'Superman' to get maximum traction. Otherwise I think superman or superwoman both are equal and amazing.

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Steve

I giggled at this one a little. XD

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Hahaha. You can laugh too but that's how content writing works.

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Ben Sinclair

FWIW, if you're after traction, there are people like me who will stop reading after the launch of the first traction-seeking missile :)

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Saeed Ahmad Author

But I have updated the title. I think that makes sense.

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Maxim

Nah, that doesn't make sense for unicorns like the complainer who just wanna troll or push some "gender" agenda as far as they can, so I urge u (yeah, I know it might be too late) to completely ignore these BS complaints.

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Sinan P. = NP • Edited

Curious on why rockstar and ninja are gendered. There are a lot of female rock stars. Furthermore the data shows rock bands that include at least one female member are getting labels deals at 8 times the rate of all male rock bands. Female bands are also selling significantly more. I also know over 10 cases where the bands' record deals were revoked because a female member left the band purely out of personal decision and a shift in their interests. If anything there stars to be bias against males in the music industry. Can't speak to ninja as I don't know any male or female ninjas but if you are going to make such comments please do some research. Opinions are irrelevant and even dangerous on such sensitive subjects. We are not going to end sexism with speculations but with precise strikes to the source of the problem.

Edit: there were also a lot of female rock stars in the 80s, arguably the most misogynistic times of rock n roll so I don't know of time where rock star purely represented males.

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kurisutofu

Well, if we take the literal Japanese term of ninja, it is gendered ;) A female ninja is called kunoichi :)

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Wuhooo. Thanks for info. I will use this term in future posts.

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Ben Sinclair • Edited

Rock star and ninja aren't particularly gendered. What I was getting at was the trend a while ago for describing developers as something extraordinary, like "10x" or "guru" or something. The "superman" part was the gendered part. I was trying to convey that while I didn't like that type of term in general, it was the specific instance of being gendered that made it seem too much.
If we can't flip the genders and still be comfortable with the sentence, then something's up with it, and I think most people would find a title like, "10 ways to be Supergirl with Javascript" to seem clunky.

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Sinan P. = NP

Oh my bad. Apologies, I misunderstood. Yes I agree with you on the superman part and the whole idea behind that "10x" trend.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Yeah I agree on that. I have updated the title name though. Supergirls are awesome by the way!

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Ben Calder

Supergirls are awesome by the way!

Great, but why "supergirls" and not "superwomen"? I see that at least you managed to use the latter in your revised title, but in your comments you're not demonstrating much awareness of the issue being raised here.

I'd recommend against all the click-bait superlatives and "we're all trying to be rock-star devs" nonsense. I gave up reading the article as soon as I got to "fullstack ninja". I came to the comments to say as much and saw someone already had.

For those who don't want to conform to the gendered, macho stereotypes you're perpetuating it is all very off-putting.

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Saeed Ahmad Author

Man! Every woman is a girl too. Why you people are hell-bent on proving someone wrong?