Hi, this is an opinion of my own and i am only speaking on my own behalf...
I'm part of something amazing that is certainly NOT a pink corral. So I cannot tolerate such levels of ignorance from a white man, who talks about diversity and ... who screams "exclusionary" just because they think they are ENTITLED to every benefit. Especially when what we do is an awesome way to empower minorities and help them become part of an entire ecosystem.
We are working hard and collaborating shoulder to shoulder with great people, regardless of gender to teach and encourage under represented minorities. If resources and opportunities were really equal for everyone we wouldn't need to solely focus on a single target, but oh do we include everyone in our efforts to bring these women and those who identify as such together and help them with what we can do best in our areas of expertise. So yes, it irks me that someone who is supposedly a lecturer and daring to talk diversity come up with such a narrow minded comment, like are you going to criticise admirable work of inclusion from the comfort of your sofa or are you at least going to make the effort of being informed. It frustrates me but some men are so hard headed and in need of having their last word, or just have their ego filled with being part of everything!
Even those who believe that sitting with women makes them super deconstructed. For me there was never a difference... But some people make it so much harder... So, yes... I do not tolerate mansplaining.
Apart from all this, we all have the right to have our own spaces, and what's wrong about it? Do you have to be everywhere?
Jen Looper is Head of Academic Advocacy at AWS with over 22 years' experience as a web and mobile developer, specializing in creating cross-platform web & mobile apps.
Perry, it sounds as if your department is doing very much the same thing that you decry: "The department sponsors several woman-specific clubs and programs". Sounds like you're not on board with your department's values, which is not my business. It also, however, sounds as if you disagree with the value of programs such as those your own department sponsors as well as ours, which is my business. So let me just respond, and then I'm going to get out of this pigpen, because I have a lot more important things to do, like organizing about 10 events in the next couple of months and traveling to do some incredible things with my sister Vixen in Argentina, who responded above.
I'm not very interested in having my own program mansplained back to me, so let me just mention that if you look more closely, we are interested in education for women and people who identify as such, and we are happy to have the help of mentors from all walks of life who are TRULY interested in doing something about the abysmal percentages of women in the industry. Perhaps you might become such a mentor?
This is not about special treatment. This is about welcoming new voices who very often don't feel heard or welcomed. You quote great numbers from BU for introductory classes. That's fabulous. But what about your higher level CS classes? What are you doing to ensure that attrition doesn't happen because of underlying attitudes such as those we meet EVERY DAY in this industry? How many women graduate from such a program? And do you have any idea how many women drop out mid-career because they've simply had enough?
We do. We are here in the trenches (not in the academy) mentoring women who are trying to start out (fixing the pipeline) and making sure to mentor mid-career women who face significant challenges in their careers as they attempt to progress. We are in the business of making changes, not throwing obstacles in peoples' paths. Can you say that you do the same?
Thank you, that's all that I'm going to say. Perhaps I'll see you in a Boston meetup where we can meet face to face. Or perhaps you'd like to attend a conference talk, I give many worldwide on bleeding edge tech, as do many of our Vixens.
Whether or not Perry is making a valid point, you are twisting his words to make him seem against the promotion of women in tech. I think his point is that there are better ways of increasing fairness and equality then creating systems that are exclusionary by gender. Instead of creating systems that exclude by gender like your own, create systems that allow both women and men. For example, create support groups for people entering the tech-industry especially vue with a specific aim at supporting all groups of people. This means that if a white straight male feels left out, you accept them, if a black gay women feels left out you support them.
Hi, this is an opinion of my own and i am only speaking on my own behalf...
I'm part of something amazing that is certainly NOT a pink corral. So I cannot tolerate such levels of ignorance from a white man, who talks about diversity and ... who screams "exclusionary" just because they think they are ENTITLED to every benefit. Especially when what we do is an awesome way to empower minorities and help them become part of an entire ecosystem.
We are working hard and collaborating shoulder to shoulder with great people, regardless of gender to teach and encourage under represented minorities. If resources and opportunities were really equal for everyone we wouldn't need to solely focus on a single target, but oh do we include everyone in our efforts to bring these women and those who identify as such together and help them with what we can do best in our areas of expertise. So yes, it irks me that someone who is supposedly a lecturer and daring to talk diversity come up with such a narrow minded comment, like are you going to criticise admirable work of inclusion from the comfort of your sofa or are you at least going to make the effort of being informed. It frustrates me but some men are so hard headed and in need of having their last word, or just have their ego filled with being part of everything!
Even those who believe that sitting with women makes them super deconstructed. For me there was never a difference... But some people make it so much harder... So, yes... I do not tolerate mansplaining.
Apart from all this, we all have the right to have our own spaces, and what's wrong about it? Do you have to be everywhere?
Perry, it sounds as if your department is doing very much the same thing that you decry: "The department sponsors several woman-specific clubs and programs". Sounds like you're not on board with your department's values, which is not my business. It also, however, sounds as if you disagree with the value of programs such as those your own department sponsors as well as ours, which is my business. So let me just respond, and then I'm going to get out of this pigpen, because I have a lot more important things to do, like organizing about 10 events in the next couple of months and traveling to do some incredible things with my sister Vixen in Argentina, who responded above.
I'm not very interested in having my own program mansplained back to me, so let me just mention that if you look more closely, we are interested in education for women and people who identify as such, and we are happy to have the help of mentors from all walks of life who are TRULY interested in doing something about the abysmal percentages of women in the industry. Perhaps you might become such a mentor?
This is not about special treatment. This is about welcoming new voices who very often don't feel heard or welcomed. You quote great numbers from BU for introductory classes. That's fabulous. But what about your higher level CS classes? What are you doing to ensure that attrition doesn't happen because of underlying attitudes such as those we meet EVERY DAY in this industry? How many women graduate from such a program? And do you have any idea how many women drop out mid-career because they've simply had enough?
We do. We are here in the trenches (not in the academy) mentoring women who are trying to start out (fixing the pipeline) and making sure to mentor mid-career women who face significant challenges in their careers as they attempt to progress. We are in the business of making changes, not throwing obstacles in peoples' paths. Can you say that you do the same?
Thank you, that's all that I'm going to say. Perhaps I'll see you in a Boston meetup where we can meet face to face. Or perhaps you'd like to attend a conference talk, I give many worldwide on bleeding edge tech, as do many of our Vixens.
best,
Jen
Whether or not Perry is making a valid point, you are twisting his words to make him seem against the promotion of women in tech. I think his point is that there are better ways of increasing fairness and equality then creating systems that are exclusionary by gender. Instead of creating systems that exclude by gender like your own, create systems that allow both women and men. For example, create support groups for people entering the tech-industry especially vue with a specific aim at supporting all groups of people. This means that if a white straight male feels left out, you accept them, if a black gay women feels left out you support them.
Men crying feeling left out and mansplaining women! - besito & bye