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Good points, Thomas.

Yes, I see the communication issues now that you've given some examples. This is, indeed, a common problem in our industry.

Regarding training and licensing, I once dated a doctor going through her residency and that's a very interesting model (this is in Canada - other countries are likely different). Doctors must graduate from medical school but then during their residency, they do rotations in all kinds of areas so at the very least they know how the different specialties work. It doesn't matter if you are going to be a family doc or a brain surgeon, you rotate through an array of specialties, even though you spend most of your time learning your specialty. Then at the end of your residency you need to be recommended by your superiors to take 'the board' exams. If you pass you become a licensed doctor. If not, you may be given a chance to repeat the year and retake the exam or they might decide you don't have what it takes and end your career right there.

That would be an interesting licensing system for software developers who wanted to be licensed. Of course, we don't have an institutions to support such a system but imagine if we did for a moment. Think of the potential quality of the developers that made it through something like that.

Not only do we have the institutions to support that kind of system right now, the educational systems that produce software engineers are sometimes very different than those that produce other engineers, doctors, lawyers. Not all software engineers go through traditional college or university education. And even those that do may not go through any kind of formal education in computing. However, these people are just as capable of being great software engineers.

Part of the reason for this is the low barrier to entry. The tools and resources needed to design and build software products are much more accessible than tools and resources needed to build many other types of engineering products. This, plus the easy-to-obtain educational resources make all of this possible.

Any kind of system needs to consider people who don't have formal education in computing.

Good points. We could also add non-native English speaking to the list as well.

Does anyone have direct experience with the training offered by the Software Engineering Insitute at Carnegie Mellon? They offer courses that appear to be semi-on-point here. I've looked at these courses before but they are government/defense focused and I work in a small business so I didn't get far.

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