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Nick Steele

jQuery might be useful for you since you're using ASP.NET and not a lot of innovation is happening in that area, but you might be happier switching to a more innovative area than using a library that is almost 15 years old and waiting for a niche product to come out and breathe more life into it.

I used to use ASP and PHP. When ASP.NET came out I thought "Yes! Now I can finally code modern stuff again! I don't have to learn this..."Node" garbage!". I know how it feels... You learned something, you started being able to make cool stuff... you hear these other people changing the world, and they NEVER use the stack that you're using and you wonder why... but it never seems to be enough to get you to switch to that magic stack that keeps changing the world... then years go by, and the gap grows bigger and bigger and you feel like you might be lost to mediocrity... You keep wondering.

Join us Charles! Join us for life after jQuery and .NET! :) Pick up Node and never look back! There is still time!

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David Domingo

No innovation in ASP.NET? Do yourself a favor and look into Blazor.

You probably also think that the Java stack or the PHP stack is outdated. And ruby? A thing of the past. And Python? A tool for data-scientists because they don't know any better. If this sounds like you, checkout Rust, because it's fast and safe and even Go and node are becoming outdated!!!

Now seriously, there is innovation happening practically everywhere in programming. Dude, there is even innovation going on in Pearl/Raku and OCaml/ReasonML.

Burst your little bubble and join the common sense club.

 
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Nick Steele

It's against the dev.to TOS to make derogatory comments/personal attacks. It's also mean. Please keep it civil and objective.

Blazor is C# in browsers. Therefore, objectively, ASP.NET is not Blazor and is not innovation in ASP.NET. Microsoft wants you to stop using ASP and switch to C#, because ASP is based off of the BASIC programming language, and is not a good choice to develop with.

They are literally completely different languages. Also, historically, every attempt to put another language into the browser has always failed. Please see Dart for a recent example. I'm not knocking Blazor, I'm pointing out it is not ASP, it is the recommended thing Microsoft is suggesting to make you stop using ASP. Those are different things.

Java has had more security flaws in it than every other language on Earth, combined. But I didn't say anything about Java.

PHP is outdated, yes :) If you think otherwise I would just like to end the conversation please.

Python, Go, Rust and Node are not outdated and I never said they were. Kind of weird you are using 3 exclamation points about a point I never made or felt.

I am not saying no innovation is happening in areas, but clearly, different amounts of innovation are happening in areas. Clearly, paying attention to where the most innovation is happening can be beneficial. If you disagree and think everything is equal or something like that, I understand, but I do not agree with you, and that is OK.

 
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David Domingo

First of all let me say that I did not mean to offend. I simply think you are wrong in a few aspects and I have had to deal with developers making comments like yours for many years. I used to do the same myself, specially when Rails was cool or when AngularJS was cool, but have learned from many mentors how dumb you might sound when you do it.

Nowadays ASP.NET is what the framework is called, not the language. As for Blazor, it is a way to create WebAssembly apps with ASP.NET Core.

I know you didn't mention Java and PHP. I simply assumed what your opinion would be on Java and PHP and wasn't far off, because I know your type, I used to say the same thing. What surprises me is that you don't consider Python to be outdated, which is a good thing, because it's not.

Java having had security flaws in the past is like saying Toyota cars have had safety flaws in the past. Doesn't mean it's outdated. It's far from it, specially with its new release schedule and having new languages like Kotlin compiling to Java bytecode.

PHP isn't outdate either. I'd recommend watching Rasmus' talk on the 25 years of PHP youtube.com/watch?v=wCZ5TJCBWMg. It's a great emotional talk.

Innovation is innovation, regardless of where it happens. I don't care where it comes from, if it teaches me something it's more than welcome.

 
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David Domingo

First of all let me say that I did not mean to offend. I simply think you are wrong in a few aspects and I have had to deal with developers making comments like yours for many years. I used to do the same myself, specially when Rails was cool or when AngularJS was cool, but have learned from many mentors how dumb you might sound when you do it.

Nowadays ASP.NET is what the framework is called, not the language. As for Blazor, it is a way to create WebAssembly apps with ASP.NET Core.

I know you didn't mention Java and PHP. I simply assumed what your opinion would be on Java and PHP and wasn't far off, because I know your type, I used to say the same thing. What surprises me is that you don't consider Python to be outdated, which is a good thing, because it's not.

Java having had security flaws in the past is like saying Toyota cars have had safety flaws in the past. Doesn't mean it's outdated. It's far from it, specially with its new release schedule and having new languages like Kotlin compiling to Java bytecode.

PHP isn't outdate either. I'd recommend watching Rasmus' talk on the 25 years of PHP youtube.com/watch?v=wCZ5TJCBWMg. It's a great emotional talk.

Innovation is innovation, regardless of where it happens. I don't care where it comes from, if it teaches me something it's more than welcome.

 
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David Domingo

First of all let me say that I did not mean to offend. I simply think you are wrong in a few aspects and I have had to deal with developers making comments like yours for many years. I used to do the same myself, specially when Rails was cool or when AngularJS was cool, but have learned from many mentors how dumb you might sound when you do it.

Nowadays ASP.NET is what the framework is called, not the language. As for Blazor, it is a way to create WebAssembly apps with ASP.NET Core.

I know you didn't mention Java and PHP. I simply assumed what your opinion would be on Java and PHP and wasn't far off, because I know your type, I used to say the same thing. What surprises me is that you don't consider Python to be outdated, which is a good thing, because it's not.

Java having had security flaws in the past is like saying Toyota cars have had safety flaws in the past. Doesn't mean it's outdated. It's far from it, specially with its new release schedule and having new languages like Kotlin compiling to Java bytecode.

PHP isn't outdate either. I'd recommend watching Rasmus' talk on the 25 years of PHP, It's a great emotional talk.

Innovation is innovation, regardless of where it happens. I don't care where it comes from, if it teaches me something it's more than welcome.