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Discussion on: Knowing I'm Dumb Is the First Step

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Adam Gordon Bell

Yes, inexperienced maybe a more accurate term, but dumb is the term used in the McGill article linked so I thought I'd use it.

Dunning-Kruger-effect, if it exists, is often defined to include not just inexperienced people being confident, but also experienced people being less confident. So imposter syndrome could be related to it, just a different part of the curve they found, not its inverse.

Either way, it seems like it may not exist :shurg:

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Alex Lohr

The curve itself is an issue, because, as the paper you cited notes, it is also reproducable with static noise (no significant p-value)

I would still disagree, because the Dunning-Kruger-effect is defined as the relation between actual knowledge and confidence, but impostor syndrome is the relation between perceived ignorance of oneself and confidence, so it is not a part of the curve, but some other dimension instead - and actual knowledge and perceived ignorance are exact opposites, as I previously stated.

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Adam Gordon Bell • Edited

Oh interesting. How are perceived ignorance and low confidence different?

Certainly some people seem to think its the same:

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Alex Lohr

It's nowhere on this graph. Since the perceived ignorance is first high, drops steep, and then had its ups and downs.