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re: Fair point about the current state of math vs programming. But on whether this changes any time soon: Where I'm from (Australia) and where I've li...

Most engineering subjects get incorporated into different classes (math, physics, chemistry, etc). From a logistical point of view you'd probably need to have a class dedicated to computing which is something that I just don't see happening. If you look at how advanced GUI-based "programming" (e.g., SaaS products such as Jira) has become learning how to write code isn't essential enough to justify this.

To your first point: I had core computing classes throughout high-school. In those days they were there to help you get proficient with Word, Excel etc. (they were the big "you have to know these to get a good job" tools at the time). In my last couple of years the curriculum was expanded to include a number of Python programming modules. So I wouldn't say having a dedicated computing class is all that far fetched.

I think delving into a conversation about whether learning to code will be essential going forward might be a bit too tangental for this thread.

Good chat, though. It's always interesting to see a different perspective 👍

But claiming that math education isn't successful because less than 1% of folks learn calculus (a specific, frequently not mandatory, subset) is a bit disingenuous.

I brought up the calculus example not because I think calculus is special or hard but because it's simple and we have been teaching it for a long time. People just don't bother retaining the knowledge to use it in their daily life. I think programming is the same. Algorithmic thinking is a skill but most people just don't bother. This is before we even get to the logistical problems of developing good CS teaching materials and getting enough teachers versed in the material to teach it.

I would like nothing more than to have technology advance to the point that I didn't need to write code and that there were enough people around who could solve their own problems with computers instead of delegating the responsibility to a priestly class but given the historical evidence I just don't see it happening. For the foreseeable future programming will remain a rare enough skillset that salaries will not go down.

I don't think this is wishful thinking on my part just because I'm a programmer and want to continue getting paid a high salary. I think we are collectively bad at allocating educational resources to meet societal needs. There will continue to be a shortage of people versed in the algorithmic arts even if we start teaching CS concepts in kindergarten.

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