Since I switched my career to web development, I can't help noticing that it's rare to see female developers. I mean, there are more and more women...
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Hello Annie. Your post reminded me of this excerpt from Girl Decoded by Dr Rana El Kaliouby:
AUC is the American University of Cairo, one of the best universities in Egypt. I find her experience similar to mine, but I see a discrepancy between the number of women engineering graduates and women engineers in the workforce, due to too many factors and a high barrier to entering the job market.
Interesting Doaa! One time I talked to a girl from India, and she said half of her classmates are female (computer science) and I was shocked to hear that.
Just curious, do all those female graduates get jobs in the end? It would be Sweden's dream to have that... but if a country is like Sweden, there might not be those many female engineers I guess...
That sounds about right!
From my own experience, many are lost in the gap between university graduation and joining the workforce, due to too many reasons. Some are that they realize they don't like the major, realize it's boring, physically too intimidating (small agencies, no other women) or daunting (site work where they're on their feet in the sun all day), have familial/societal pressure regarding work or not knowing how to navigate job hunting or a dozen different things.
The grass is always greener :)
Haha indeed. I remember once a girl who studied CS said she envied me for working as a teacher and translator, and I said I envied you so much because you can program and I had to wait for a programmer to have time to solve some problem I have, I wish I could do it myself! That was one of the reasons that drove me to learn it, so I can do things myself. ;)
Personally I love to see role models, but I don't get bothered if I don't. There will be potential women from non-STEM background, who might be genuinely interested and we should encourage them and support them to pursue STEM, but we should also respect other women who are in STEM already to choose something else, if that makes them happier.
There are a lot of awesome women in STEM that would be great role models but they're not widely known unfortunately! This also reminds me of this tweet I saw yesterday haha.
More info about that here.
well, if you do some research in the field of cognitive psychology you´ll find this:
In 1997 Baron-Cohen developed the "empathizing-systemizing (E-S) theory" which states that humans may be classified on the basis of their scores along two dimensions (empathizing and systemizing). The E-S theory argues that typical females tend to score higher on empathizing relative to systemizing (they are more likely to have a brain of Type E), and typical males tend to score higher on systemizing relative to empathizing (they are more likely to have a brain of Type S). He suspects that if individuals with a "systemizing" focus are selecting each other as mates, they are more likely to have children with autism.
Ok?
So, this is the wikipedia page link (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Baron-...)
This is related to the effects of testosterone on the brain, meaning, that this sexual hormone makes the right-part of the brain less dominant, while estrogens don´t suppress the right part of the brain. In this way, man are more left-hemisphere prone and thus more likely to be focus in 1 thing at a time. This is research related to sexual differences in cognitive abilities, which point to the fact that sexual hormones have influence over brain-cognitive functions
I know these things because prior to work as web developer I´ve went through almost 3 years of intense psychology college researching about these topics...
According to the article I pasted in point 4, Google fired an employee who cited the exact Simon Baron-Cohen's research.
I also have studied psychology, and that's why I favor both nature and nurture arguments. Undoubtedly, there are some areas we could improve, such as being more friendly and inclusive. But things like 50/50 outcome is unnecessary because we need to respect the biological differences (due to DNA, hormones, predisposition...whatever) and the career choices those factors lead to.
On the matter of nurture you can teach the person being respectfull and aware of other peoples needs and limitations. For sure, we should do all of this, understanding that our efforts on this side can go only to a certain 'pre-determined' point of biological limits. Right? Meaning, biology will constrains us after some level, even though we are psychological fully commited to some (any) purpose!!
Your first and third points assume a cultural aspect that's very prevalent in many parts of the Western world. In essence, the biases that exist against specific genders in certain jobs (not just against women in STEM jobs, but also things such as biases against men in childcare or other people/emotion focused jobs) are a non-negligible part of why these types of gender inequality exist, but the very existence of these gender inequalities helps perpetuate those biases. It's essentially confirmation bias, but with a multigenerational feedback loop.
However, in other parts of the world, that bias either manifests in other ways, or the minorities there who the bias is skewed against are actively ignoring it and trying to get rid of it.
It's also important to consider though that being exposed to those biases as a child colors how one looks at their own life. Humans quite simply tend to subconsciously try to maintain what they view as the status quo. If you're a girl who's grown up exposed to the assumption that most engineers are guys, it's less likely that you'll consider going into engineering, though you probably would have to think a bit if asked why you didn't consider it (and would probably come up with some excuses other than "I'm not a guy."). If you pay attention, you can see the same kind of behavior in other minorities as well, even to the point in some cases of people essentially hiding behind their minority status as an excuse to not try and proactively improve their situation.
Thanks Austin for your valuable insight.
Now I think back why I didn't choose computer before, even I had a huge interest in computer back then. The reason was my math and physics weren't so good in senior high, which were required for STEM majors. Maybe I just got bad teachers and textbooks? Now I still struggle with computer science sometimes, but I've found the web development job has evolved to be something quite fun, and I don't necessarily need heavy math and physics in most of the things I do. Most people who helped me during my journey tended out to be very nice white males, it could be I am just lucky!
It would be interesting to see whether this will change in the future.
Hmm... I'm not sure, how do you explain the point 3? You'd think they'd be happier to stay in IT if that's their natural choice and now working and social environment improve (compared to their previous condition).
I personally think there are both reasons: inner/natural tendency and social environment that's behind the IT career choice by women.
Have you seen the documentary Code: Debugging the gender gap? What's interesting is that until the 80s computer programming was seen as good career for intelligent women. It wasn't until the 80s that computer programming was seen as a 'man's job'.
Interesting. I haven't watched this but I did watch movie like Hidden Figures, and know Ada Lovelace and saw some vintage photos where women were doing "programmer" jobs. I found an interesting article I will share in the main post.
About the first topic, I don't disagree completely but one thing I realized is that, even though we traditionally associate developer roles to ones where you do not need to interact with people as much, it is not true for many companies. Of course you have a lot of coding involved as a developer, but many companies also want their developers to have people skills, since we have a lot of meetings during sprints, or we need to explain how we did things to our colleagues, and even interact with clients directly in the case of project managers who started as developers.
Yeah, in modern days, being a software developer is no longer a nerdy guy sitting in the basement banging keyboard for hours. I agree with you that people skills are important as well.
That's why I try to present different opinions to explain this phenomenon, so if there is anything we can do to improve the situation, we should do it. :) For instance, changing people's general impression of what a developer is like could be one thing.
True, maybe many women still have this impression if they did not pursue this career and that could be the reason why. I liked the article, debating the different possible reasons why we have less women in this area is a good way to start changing things :)
Read this book.
This just seems like more of the conventional wisdom that our patterns of behavior are "socially constructed," and that most differences in achievement outcomes of various superficial categories of people have, as their most important cause, some kind of pernicious systemic oppression.
Does that book address the "Swedish Paradox," whose patterns of data seem to have made a direct contradiction to the increasingly passe Standard Social Science Model of the human mind as a blank slate from birth? Does it even make testable predictions?
Here's an alternative in case you would like to explore beyond the bounds of the conventional wisdom that sex differences are mere social constructs: goodreads.com/book/show/1519450.Wh...
"Hominem unius librem timeo."
Interesting, good to know more perspectives. I will take some time to read those later. :)