Why are you NOT worried about the robot apocalypse?

The robots are coming and they will enslave us! Or not. Why are you not all that concerned?

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Because there's no reason to prefer a human labor pool over more robots. The next question of course is whether they'd simply kill us; but while it's easy enough to see a lack of concern for individual humans (witness the ongoing discussions over driverless cars), it's difficult to come up with a compelling reason for a campaign of extermination that doesn't presuppose a capacity for abstract thought.

The most likely scenario as I see it is that automation will continue to put people out of work since robots are better in every way than humans at physical labor, and programs are faster and more reliable than we are at calculations and algorithms. Under the present capitalist paradigm this means more and more un- and underemployment and a concentration of wealth in an ever-smaller group. As of 2016 the richest ten billionaires combined owned half a trillion US dollars. If you ranked that figure on a chart of national GDP for that year, those ten people would land on a position in the low 20s. Imagine what you could do with the labor power represented by $505 billion in a society that put it to work!

The problem with automation isn't the robots.

Because there's no reason to prefer a human labor pool over more robots.

Never thought of it that way; great point.

I guess "inequality apocalypse" isn't as catchy huh?

The big question to me is whether the development of surveillance, policing, and military technologies (all inextricably related) will outpace the capabilities of a good old-fashioned angry mob with pitchforks and torches. The super-rich have been asking themselves this too: check out this article in The Guardian from a year ago about Silicon Valley royalty buying "just in case" property in New Zealand. They aren't thinking about robots or zombies or a titanic wave of molten metal covering the earth; they're worried about being called to account for a level of wealth that can only be termed obscene in the face of any amount of human suffering or privation.

Because the more intelligent AI becomes, the more it will be plagued by the same bugs that plague the rest of us:

xkcd skynet

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To be honest, technology works roughly 67% of the time at the moment. So if we continue developing to our current standards I think the Robot Apocalypse would fizzle out after a week or so.

I feel like there are two scenarios

Robots will take our jobs but work for Bill's and Larry's (for the 1%) and the rest of us will suffer.

Kind of how the poor suffer because our politics does not support them. Talk about Basic income and listen to all the objections. If Gates and Page's of the world control the production of these robots then we would be unemployed and blamed for no fault of our own - again similar to how we blame poor people.

Robots will take our jobs but work for us!

There is a beautiful science fiction story "The Lifecycle of Software Objects
" by Ted Chiang (fantastic writer) that amongst other things deals with our moral obligation towards AI. If by robots we mean Ex Machina style, then "robots working for us" is slavery. But, when I think of robots I'm thinking of automated-forklifts and pencil sharpeners on steroids - performing the important jobs of pencil pushers. True "can openers" with no feelings and without all the good stuff that make us us.

These robots would do our jobs and we would reap the benefits!

Someone said something like "if you take jobs away from people you'd be taking what makes them human". It doesn't make sense but of course there are many that might believe their 9-5 give them meaning. I heard one or two philosophers/psychologist say the same thing.

Not to be an ass about it but I do not agree! I think because the 9-5 is what most of us have to do we've come to believe that we need to do it.

Think about it!

If no one had to work ... we'd truly flourish!

As for them enslaving us, It could happen if only the 1% had a say in what kind of robots are created. The 1% of tomorrow might be blinded by their ego and start developing robots for some sort of final solution!

But I truly believe we are becoming better and better human beings and so we'll mostly use this for the good of humanity - with a little bit of mischief on the side, to keep the likes of Trump feel ... important. He will not find a robot to do what he truly wants but he will find robots that can quickly build walls! I can imagine two robots in a loop, one builds and one destroys.


We are the creators in this scenario, and we should really learn from the mistakes of the master! She (why not) created humans and some of them (your's truly) turned atheists. We don't want our creatures have that bug in them :)

Futurists were predicting shorter and shorter workweeks all through the 20th century. Instead we've kept working the same hours while technology has enabled ever-increasing productivity. Wages (in the US) have basically stagnated since the 1970s, and our legal minimum wage isn't even enough to live on -- companies like Wal-Mart and McDonald's are subsidized by their employees going on welfare just to survive.

We were all supposed to have flying cars and robot butlers by now!

That's because we should have built robots to manage the 1%'s greed :-D

That's true.

Take that as my own wishful thinking

I think the fact we all think that the first thing AI robots will do is terminate us all says way more about us as a human species than the eventual AI.

Maciej Cegล‚owski's talk Superintelligence: The Idea That Eats Smart People it's very interesting and point on the topic of Superintelligence and the human intelligence bias.

I tried to wipe the hair off that "L" about 4 times. More robots would not be a bad thing...

When I die, I at least want it to be in a way that's awesome and inspiring, usually through sheer horror or cool factor. Dying in a robot apocalypse is beaten only be being zombie patient zero or coding a large-scale project with only inline CSS.

We don't understand what consciousness really is, how it works, or why we have it. We couldn't program a computer to do something we don't understand and without self-aware consciousness, they're just a machine.

Maciej Ceglowski presented a very nice counter-argument to rampant AI/robots in his talk Superintelligence: the Idea that Eats Smart People

because it's just a regular apocalypse with extra steps. the simpler ones are much more likely to happen first.

I think that the current pop culture understanding of AI is a gross misunderstanding built on a mythology. A mythology created by science fiction and the marketing of AI that is more than happy to make people believe AI is smarter than it is.

Cognitive thinking in a machine does not exist. We still don't even know where to start. AI has been a complete failure in that way. The kind of AI that has become so pervasive works so well because it is fed massive amounts of data which in spite of its relative size, represents a very narrow and specific subset of reality to accommodate a dumb machine.

I'd be more worried about a future where environmentally aware machines are controlled and weaponized by humans as a tool for enslavement or war. An army of autonomous non-thinking robots don't need to be sentient to inflict mass death or be a tool for enslavement.

So, you are telling me that we will be smart enough to make robots that will have the power to enslave the entire human race, but dumb enough to not give those robots the ability to make the right choices?

I write code for a living and have done enough math to know "deep neural network" is a nice marketing phrase for "a ridiculous nested collection of functions". There is no intelligent robot apocalypse happening any time soon and in my opinion more automation is always a good thing. Automation frees up people to pursue human endeavors instead of pretending to be robots.

At some point people might also realize that we have had the means and resources to feed, clothe, and shelter everyone on the planet since the 20th century. The only reason we don't have a global socialist state is because human politics gets in the way and we squander all our excess production. I think in North America 40% or more of the food is thrown away.

One short answer: We will enhance ourselves first before robots can enhance themselves. Whether that be through new skill-sets, new jobs, new ways of earning a living, or new medical advances. However, I cannot wait till the day the robots over take us. That will be a day where we can truly be free of our biological constraints. We are already slaves to our own biology. Why not free us form that type of bondage?

youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
I used to be all aboard the train with CGP Grey that AI and ML meant the end of humanity as we know it.

youtube.com/watch?v=TUmyygCMMGA
Then I saw this great video by Vox that shows that just because it's the end of the world, doesn't mean "it's the end of the world" and that we will eventually grow past it.

For example, robots are really bad at recognizing new patterns and being creative. While we might be able to make an algorithm complex enough to teach itself to drive a car, it wouldn't be able to fly a plane. Yes we have autopilot, but that's because flying is actually the easier of the two tasks. Go figure. Long story short, modern day algorithms continue to amaze us with what they can do just as technology always has and what we should be really worried is "general AI" which is quite a ways off. And Elon Musk is working on that too

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Not concerned.

It's more then 20 year of computer evolution and still a pain to get printer working on Linux. What other operation system robots could use internally? Windows? OSX? I hope your joking. :-)

  1. While machine learning has advanced a lot in the last decade, that's only one part of AI. I haven't heard anything to make me think artificial general intelligence, or AGI, is near.
  2. Corporations are arguably already a form of AI. It's not perfect, but it's no apocalypse.
  3. Robots would more likely want to exterminate us than enslave us.
  4. Enslavement by robots might not be all that bad, as manual labor and suffering are not likely to be their end goals.
  5. AI is created for human goals, by humans. As long as we can keep this from creating more poverty, I think we'll be fine.
  6. In a sense we are artificial intelligence. We're a neural net generated by a genetic algorithm. In the process of re-creating that, we'll learn a lot about ourselves and get to witness the birth either of an exciting new life form, or of the next stage of our own evolution. So that excitement outweighs the fear that it will destroy us, even though it might.

I'm not prepared with robots taking my job!
Prob of automation infograhic

When people say that a computer will take a computer programmer's job, they must be talking about a computer programmer's current job. I've always found that to be a bit silly because I hope that a lot of my job could be automated and I'll keep evolving what I can do without having to worry about those parts.

Well said! I can't really imagine that the job of a programmer will ever go extinct. There are definitely tasks that will be done by AI, but just like the AI we as developers also have to evolve - and do different tasks in the future. It's all about lifelong learning.

Okay so we see human killing human and we are designing humanoids - human-like robots.xD

No matter we worry or not ...AI will trend.
Also, I think I am always responsible for the bugs and issues in my programs.
So, in case of apocalypse, this will be us for our shitty programming skills and I don't know why people forget that if we homo sapiens can design the robos, provide them cognitive abilities then why won't we have power to shut them up. blow them away, turning them back to the metal crap.
You know we program them not they. So don't worry unless u can program.

Robot apocalypse? Are we automating that too?

Humans are getting really lazy ...

Robots aren't real! Like, you only ever see them on the internet or on television. My mom told me television isn't real.
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We have killed our own kind for centuries now and got real good at it.

I'm not afraid of robots or AI, because all my fear is already taken by human monsters.

I think even before robots, aliens will show up and turn us into bio batteries :D

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