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Charles F. Munat

What you've said is correct, but it is a reality that most developers are unwilling to face—a very sad reality. If you care about human beings, that is. I'm guessing humans don't much enter into your equations except as assets or liabilities.

Put plainly, your point is this: coding for enterprise is essentially slave labor. It is factory-line assembly work. The closer your devs get to unskilled labor, the more easily they can be replaced with an identical dev. No thinking required or desired.

Isn't that awesome?

In short, the enterprise benefits financially by turning the coding process into clerical work and probably paying accordingly. The workers? Meh. Who cares about them?

It's no wonder that you're "obsessed" with low-code.

This is why I'm no longer looking for work with large enterprise. Not only is the work demeaning and soul-deadening—crushing creativity and insight—but most often it is building shit that no one really needs or wants (sans massive brainwashing) and probably just helping to create the global surveillance/carceral state. And all just so some überparasites can hoard and waste a few more billions.

Sweet! No?

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Thomas Hansen • Edited

I'm not sure if I agree or violently object to your argument, I guess a little bit of both, but you (obviously) struck a string here. Yes, you are correct, yes it's bad, but Low-Code is here to "save us" the way I see it. Today our jobs as enterprise developers has demands that are slightly above "trained monkeys levels". Is that a good thing? Well, in order to understand that you need to look at what it leads to, and what it leads to is fully automated processes, creating most of the code autonomously, resulting in freeing up time for the humans in the equation, resulting in (I would argue) at the end of the line a better world for all of us :)

Books and creative writing didn't disappear because we automated the process of assembling books, quite the contrary, it resulted in an explosion of new types of (creative!) jobs for the world. Low-code and no-code as similar premises if you ask me ...

Read my Gutenberg article to understand the above ...

Our jobs have really been reduced to copying and pasting bugs from StackOverflow into our own codebase. This needs to end, and low-code can potentially end it ...

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Charles F. Munat

Key word: potentially. I, too, would love to see low-code solutions take a lot of the drudgery, copy-and-paste, code monkey work out of development. But I suspect that It will just be used to avoid hiring smart devs.

I don't think that there is a low-code tool (or that there will be) that can do justice to an application of any complexity in the hands of a layperson. For the tools to work well, they will need to be wielded by developers, designers, architects, and UX folks. The point should not be that "anyone can make an enterprise app", but that, as you say, coders are freed of the boring drudge work.

From what I've seen so far, enterprise companies don't get it at all. Not optimistic.

But I do believe that low-code can be a boon, so I have a side project (moving very slowly, sadly) to build a low-code app that uses ontologies to describe the business domain and the desired design system and then buiids an app from scratch based on that. I'll probably never get it to beta, and if I do, no one will ever use it, but a man can dream...

One of the big, big lies of consumer capitalism is that technology will make us so productive that we'll all only need to work a few hours a week to make a living, and that the work will be life-enhancing, creative work rather than soul-deadening drudgery.

Yeah. How's that working out?

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Thomas Hansen

I'll probably never get it to beta, and if I do, no one will ever use it, but a man can dream

Hehe, link ...? ^_^

Yeah. How's that working out?

Well, I certainly don't work only a couple of hours per week, but both me and you have jobs that would be impossible only some few hundred years ago, at which point we'd probably end up slaving on fields picking potatoes for some noble man instead of the work we're actually doing today. So I have to disagree on this one, although you do make a couple of valid points.

coders are freed of the boring drudge work

You should check out our stuff - It's still in beta, but we're going GA release tomorrow in fact :)