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Bernd Wechner

Indeed, not w new prediction. But even if you were still in nappies (diapers for our US buddies) I think your prediction of this revolution within your lifetime seriously overestimates our rate of progress in that direction (if I understood you correctly, that this revolution hinges on machines designing and building machines - at least a semi autonomous reproductive cycle).

The end scenario is the stuff of science fiction and speculative fiction indeed, or in the camp of soothsayers and crystal balls.

And also the rate of progress since the industrial revolution has indeed been impressive as well.

But I'm not sure easily convinced, watching the tech news (with an eye on autonomous vehicles, one of the more salient thresholds to cross) it is hard to predict credibly this being realised inside of 50 years, a hundred starting to sound feasible ...

There are some considerable barriers still before us in achieving this apparently self destructive outcome.

I find the mortals/immortals dichotomy interesting, a little fun, but I suspect but very meaningful. Machines are mortal as well of course and the allusion to immortality is a very human one I suspect predicated on the button of identity. That is, it presupposes a machine with a reflective sense of identity that is more easily preserved through mere data retention and transmission (while we possess reject identity, sense of self, distinct from others, that is difficult to preservev from generation to generation, because of the tight binding of that experience to our entire biology (body and mind capture or sense of self).

But what if, and this send rather more likely this machine conscience that you might imagine in fact never carries such a server or reflective identity, much rather operates in the way that a colony of ants does for example. What if the notion of identity that you project onto the coming machine world is in fact just that, a projection of the biological experience of identity and not relevant to machine world to come? Curious.