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A definition of the Linux desktop

Dimitri Merejkowsky on January 02, 2019

Originally published on my blog. Quite some time ago, I came across a thread from Gary Bernhardt on twitter. Here’s what he had to say about Linu...
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Raunak Ramakrishnan

Great article. As a Linux desktop user, I agree that the phrasing of the tweet was not the best. I still have a 10 year old laptop running Arch Linux, no issues as long as you read the update page. Drivers are a hit or miss depending on the device. My recent Lenovo laptop's wifi did not work out of the box and I had to find and compile the driver code and load it as a kernel module. Also, many distros seem to value the new and shiny over the old and trusted especially with regards to GUIs. I have moved to i3 as a desktop manager to keep things simple and sane.

I think you are doing Windows drivers a big disservice. Since Windows Vista, most devices work out-of-the-box. The drivers are formally verified and if any upgrade breaks them, you can rollback using Device Manager. Also, Microsoft for all its flaws, gives power-users a way out of its nefarious telemetry and tracking as they know that the vast majority of users don't care enough to take the extra steps.

I have never used any Apple product and considering the massive lock-in, am content staying out of their walled garden.

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Choco Lim • Edited

I have to install Ubuntu to a Macbook pro 2011 and start using Linux GUI, last time I used it was on 2007. I always use the command line.

I dont think I have any control over Linux without have to know a lot. I really just want to use Eclipse for Java Developments, Firefox and Spotify.

I had to modify a few X.org configurations to make the macbook's keyboard to work. The trackpad is horrible on linux.

All the utility Apps and the Gnome/KDE interface works just adequate.

Yes, maybe I am able to modify the kernel and made the trackpad more OSX like, or contribute code to the GUI, but I don't have time avaible, so I have no control over Linux either.

People on linux are always see the things you are able to do with infinite time available, and that's is not always the case.

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Jilles van Gurp

I've considered switching from mac to linux on a couple of occasions. All the developer tools I use are OSS and work just fine on Linux. I need Docker, a jdk, intellij, maybe a bit of node, python, bash, etc. Vs Code is essential as well. Stuff like that. I can probably be up and running in a few hours on a generic Ubuntu laptop.

I have dabbled with linux distributions since the day they came in the form of slackware and 27 or so disks that I had to download. It never stuck on my desktop but I spend a lot of time sshed into servers running Ubuntu. Automating devops on Ubuntu, building docker images for Ubuntu. I say Ubuntu, not Linux because if you don't use Ubuntu, you are a second rate citizen in the linux world.

You'll find instructions for running many things on a mac and usually for Ubuntu. You might find some for other distributions. But typically, if you are not on Ubuntu, you are on your own. Configurations may be in a different place. There may not be a package that plays nice with the stuff you need. I remember dealing red hat professionally, or as I jokingly called it: the wrong fucking version of essentially everything I care about packaged up incompetently and indifferently ages ago when that stuff was already obsolete. Thankfully we have docker these days to shield us from shitty package mismanagement. Made my life a lot easier dealing with configuration management.

Things are a lot easier today in terms of hardware support. I have a parent with an ancient laptop on a dito version of Ubuntu.

But nowhere near as easy as getting a new mac. But you get all the nasty issues like the trackpad not being quite right, high resolution screens still being a bit of a PITA, dealing with non work essential stuff like getting some decent drivers for your video card working, your screen glitching on boot, making sure energy management actually doesn't roast your battery, and dealing with buggy standby behavior and the uncertainty that any of the stuff you fixed may need fixing again on the next update. Stuff like that requires a lot of googling, trial an error, and your mileage may vary with distribution versions, hardware platforms, etc.

If somebody does a well supported, hassle fee Linux platform I'd consider it. IMHO Google is making some smart moves with Chrome OS here. That might become a viable development platform with well supported drivers, slick end user ready applications, and you can run your assorted development cruft as well.

So, I chickened out last time my laptop came up for replacement and got a Mac. Was up and running two hours after booting it. All my apps, settings working as they should. No driver issues. No endless fiddling with configuration files. Of course the keyboard sucks and I'm glad I didn't get the nvidia option from Apple but went with the AMD one.

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Ben Sinclair

I can't remember the last time I had to do any of that sort of stuff. I've gone through phases where I've spent days tweaking things, and sometimes breaking them, but not because they didn't work out the box on any modern desktop distro.

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Jonathan Boudreau

I don't edit clips, but I've used Ardour for a while on Linux to do some basic mixing. Its just as fast on Linux if you know how to use the software that's available. I think at the end of the day its all about whether or not you want to invest the time into learning alternative software.

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Ben Sinclair

I think that free software with open standards should be considered the default, and proprietary takes on the same thing should be called the "alternative", personally.

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Brian Lampe

What I read from the original quote is that the Linux community can be hostile to complainers, and they will make you feel bad for asking a "stupid" question.

Most applications have minimal configuration, simple things like preventing the laptop to suspend when closing the lid are hard to achieve

I have a friend that's fighting this as well. It appears the only option is to get a usb plug to fake the OS into thinking an external monitor is attached. The plugs are very inexpensive. Less than $10 US.

You're very on-point about how little capability you have to alter the UI in MacOS compared to Windows and Linux WMs. I would dispute the following, however.

Finally, you often haven little control over your own data. Watching the movie you bought on iTunes on an non-Apple device is very hard.

iTunes is not requisite to anything on MacOS -- and neither is iCloud. You have as much control over your data as you want. On Windows, you have less control over your data -- or at least what Windows wants MS to know about your data.

Compared to macOS, you have more control over hardware. For instance, you can buy a new battery when the one you use is failing instead of buying a completely new device.

You can get the battery replaced in Macs, and it's fairly reasonable compared to replacing the whole machine. The prices are on Apple's website. Whether or not you can replace your own battery on a Windows device has nothing to do with the OS. Also, Windows runs on Macs!

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Jithesh. KT

(less so on “rolling ditributions” lie Arch Linux, although it is still possible with extra care …)

You mean like right?

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Dimitri Merejkowsky

Indeed. Typo fixed, thanks.

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AhmadDeel

Nice introduction to Linux, thanks