I rather dislike the term "professional".
You know what they difference is between professional and amateur? The former gets paid, that's is the only thing.
Often "professional" is attached to other words to imply it is better. For example "professional quality". It is nothing but an elitist attitude.
That being said. This list is in overal good. I think it also applied outside of work.
I am quite opposed to the concept of "dress for the job you want" as that is generally confirming to bad standards which need to change. To me somebody is a suit is somebody who is going to lie to be for personal benefit. You should dress in the way you feel comfortable in while working. But as Jason says, it should be clean and appropriate. The latter is obvious open to interpretation. But there is a major difference between a T-shirt with the text "there is no place like ~" and a t-shirt with the text "fuck the world".
I would like the extend this list with the following entries:
Be reliable
It sort of replaces the "be on time" entry as it is more broad. When you say you are going to do something, e.g. be at a certain place at a certain time. Then also do it. Commit to your promises. If you see you cannot hold up to you commitment, notify the people you committed to as soon as possible. So if you foresee you will be delayed, give a heads up. If you think you cannot finish your work because of anything, speak up right away.
Treat others the way you want to be treated
This does not mean you must be nice to jerks and let them get away with it.
I rather dislike the term "professional" You know what they difference is between professional and amateur? The former gets paid, that's is the only thing.
If only that were true of me, or indeed, a few professionals I know. The difference is not pay but intent. How serious are you? The professional software developer puts in the time and effort to build a career, while the amateur isn't that invested. Neither is inherently wrong, but it's the professional who will be taken seriously in job interviews, in networking events, in client meetings, etc.
Often "professional" is attached to other words to imply it is better. For example "professional quality". It is nothing but an elitist attitude.
Not in my experience, and you have to be careful about applying blanket labels like that. Again, the professional is the one who is serious about building a career.
I am quite opposed to the concept of "dress for the job you want" as that is generally confirming to bad standards which need to change.
Once again, that depends! There are many tech jobs where showing up in that "There's No Place Like ~" t-shirt would probably score you some points. If that's the job you want, that's the job you should dress for!
That said, it does help to have some business formal wear handy, as it does have a place in some situations. It expresses that you're taking this situation seriously enough to dress well for it. I studied intercultural communication in college, by the way, and this is true the world over. The actual outfits change, but the intent is the same.
To me somebody is a suit is somebody who is going to lie to be for personal benefit.
I'm not going to lie, I'm actually a bit insulted by that statement, and rightly so. I've made honesty one of the core hallmarks, turning down paying jobs and many opportunities rather than compromise. And I dress in suits when the need arises. Your statement is unvarnished prejudice, and it's no more appropriate than judging someone by their accent or skin color.
You should dress in the way you feel comfortable in while working. But as Jason says, it should be clean and appropriate. The latter is obvious open to interpretation.
I agree mostly. Again, tailor the apparel choices to the situation. An important client meeting may call for something less casual than a graphic T-shirt.
It absolutely is, and that's exactly the problem. Jeans and a T-Shirts are not less than a suit. It is not the clothes that makes a person.
Is the person in a suit the person you are, or the person you pretend to be. I've never seen anybody in a suit (matching pants and jacket, etc.) during their own time. So when I see somebody in a suit, I know something is up, they probably want to sell me something.
Note, with suit I do not mean business/smart casual.
Jeans and a T-Shirts are not less than a suit. It is not the clothes that makes a person.
As I said, it shows a number of things, including how seriously you take the situation. I also didn't specify you had to wear a suit, but something decent that expresses that you're taking the situation seriously is often called for.
Clothing is a form of non-verbal communication, like it or not. You don't have to agree with it, it's just the way humans have operated for thousands of years. Wearing business apparel instead of a graphic T-shirt is no different from saying "Good morning, Mr. Smith" instead of "What's the haps, duuude?"
Is the person in a suit the person you are, or the person you pretend to be.
That's rude. Is the person in the blue jeans the person you are or who you pretend to be? Or is clothing just a form of self-expression and non-verbal communication?
You're presuming a lot about why people wear suits, and insinuating they couldn't possibly have a personality to match, and you're being amazingly insulting in the process.
I've never seen anybody in a suit (matching pants and jacket, etc.) during their own time.
Doesn't mean they don't exist. I've known two. As to myself, I often enjoy wearing a button-down shirt with suspenders and a bow tie on my own time. I wear that because I want to.
So when I see somebody in a suit, I know something is up, they probably want to sell me something.
I'm sorry you've had that experience, but I cannot say that, in over ten years as a software developer or internship supervisor, I've known that correlation to be true. Don't confuse your limited experience and careless conclusions with definitive reality. That's the exact same cognitive bias that fuels racism and sexism.
Note, with suit I do not mean business/smart casual.
So, it's only one form of clothing that warrants your prejudice? All due respect, but I think the problem is your viewpoint, not reality.
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I rather dislike the term "professional".
You know what they difference is between professional and amateur? The former gets paid, that's is the only thing.
Often "professional" is attached to other words to imply it is better. For example "professional quality". It is nothing but an elitist attitude.
That being said. This list is in overal good. I think it also applied outside of work.
I am quite opposed to the concept of "dress for the job you want" as that is generally confirming to bad standards which need to change. To me somebody is a suit is somebody who is going to lie to be for personal benefit. You should dress in the way you feel comfortable in while working. But as Jason says, it should be clean and appropriate. The latter is obvious open to interpretation. But there is a major difference between a T-shirt with the text "there is no place like ~" and a t-shirt with the text "fuck the world".
I would like the extend this list with the following entries:
Be reliable
It sort of replaces the "be on time" entry as it is more broad. When you say you are going to do something, e.g. be at a certain place at a certain time. Then also do it. Commit to your promises. If you see you cannot hold up to you commitment, notify the people you committed to as soon as possible. So if you foresee you will be delayed, give a heads up. If you think you cannot finish your work because of anything, speak up right away.
Treat others the way you want to be treated
This does not mean you must be nice to jerks and let them get away with it.
Good additions.
A few clarifications I believe are in order:
If only that were true of me, or indeed, a few professionals I know. The difference is not pay but intent. How serious are you? The professional software developer puts in the time and effort to build a career, while the amateur isn't that invested. Neither is inherently wrong, but it's the professional who will be taken seriously in job interviews, in networking events, in client meetings, etc.
Not in my experience, and you have to be careful about applying blanket labels like that. Again, the professional is the one who is serious about building a career.
Once again, that depends! There are many tech jobs where showing up in that "There's No Place Like ~" t-shirt would probably score you some points. If that's the job you want, that's the job you should dress for!
That said, it does help to have some business formal wear handy, as it does have a place in some situations. It expresses that you're taking this situation seriously enough to dress well for it. I studied intercultural communication in college, by the way, and this is true the world over. The actual outfits change, but the intent is the same.
I'm not going to lie, I'm actually a bit insulted by that statement, and rightly so. I've made honesty one of the core hallmarks, turning down paying jobs and many opportunities rather than compromise. And I dress in suits when the need arises. Your statement is unvarnished prejudice, and it's no more appropriate than judging someone by their accent or skin color.
I agree mostly. Again, tailor the apparel choices to the situation. An important client meeting may call for something less casual than a graphic T-shirt.
It absolutely is, and that's exactly the problem. Jeans and a T-Shirts are not less than a suit. It is not the clothes that makes a person.
Is the person in a suit the person you are, or the person you pretend to be. I've never seen anybody in a suit (matching pants and jacket, etc.) during their own time. So when I see somebody in a suit, I know something is up, they probably want to sell me something.
Note, with suit I do not mean business/smart casual.
As I said, it shows a number of things, including how seriously you take the situation. I also didn't specify you had to wear a suit, but something decent that expresses that you're taking the situation seriously is often called for.
Clothing is a form of non-verbal communication, like it or not. You don't have to agree with it, it's just the way humans have operated for thousands of years. Wearing business apparel instead of a graphic T-shirt is no different from saying "Good morning, Mr. Smith" instead of "What's the haps, duuude?"
That's rude. Is the person in the blue jeans the person you are or who you pretend to be? Or is clothing just a form of self-expression and non-verbal communication?
You're presuming a lot about why people wear suits, and insinuating they couldn't possibly have a personality to match, and you're being amazingly insulting in the process.
Doesn't mean they don't exist. I've known two. As to myself, I often enjoy wearing a button-down shirt with suspenders and a bow tie on my own time. I wear that because I want to.
I'm sorry you've had that experience, but I cannot say that, in over ten years as a software developer or internship supervisor, I've known that correlation to be true. Don't confuse your limited experience and careless conclusions with definitive reality. That's the exact same cognitive bias that fuels racism and sexism.
So, it's only one form of clothing that warrants your prejudice? All due respect, but I think the problem is your viewpoint, not reality.