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Raphael Habereder • Edited

That didn't answer anything I'm afraid. It's just another blanket statement.

Consider this situation.
If I make a chair for you, this chair is now political, because, as per your statement:

they are made by people, for people. That's the politics in them: if you have people, you have politics

So what's political about this chair now?

Now let's expand this situation.
I call it the "Master Chair" and carve a triforce into it as an Hommage to zelda.

It has master in it's name now. Still political? This chair is obviously not your master, so it can't be a reference to slavery, right?

Does this comparison feel stupid to you? Welcome in my shoes.

You see where I am getting at? Context. Word + Context = Meaning. If you don't know the context, you can only speculate, and that is where the madness starts. Like this topic for example.

Noone but the creator knows the context as to why something is.
Everyone else's "understood meaning" is just fabrication until proven.

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Alain Van Hout

My point is that if people are involved, there will be politics, because people have opinions, backgrounds and agendas which generally only partially overlap.

In that regard, a spherical chair in a vacuum will be apolitical, but an actual chair made by people for people, can very well be made from rainforest wood, by slave or sweatshop labor, be 'picked out by me on my first day so why is he now sitting in it', or e.g. be so modern/kitsch/classic/... as to abhorrent for polite company. It's silly, I know, but that's people for you. So unless you'd want to excise people from everything, politics is something you'll have accept (or rant and rate against, if that's your opinion/background/agenda).

I hope you see that point of view, even if you disagree with it. If not, I'll leave to practicing politics on your own.

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Raphael Habereder • Edited

You know, if you agree with me, you just have to say it. Spelling it out in different words doesn't really further the discussion.

It's silly, I know, but that's people for you.

That's people. Not chairs, nor gits, or any other tool. Technology is not political, people are.

So unless you'd want to excise people from everything, politics is something you'll have accept

No, since there is context involved and absolutely needed. Not everything "has to be accepted". Framing things as bad because of people, ends in the madness we are going through right now. Someone whines, others chime in, everyone gets on the blame-train and all of a sudden git is connected to slavery and master needs to get renamed. Queue fanfares now?

What property has changed, now that git uses a different branch name, that makes git "apolitical" now? Git is still made by people, so in your words, it still has to be political, right?
What needs to change now to make it "perfect"?

I hope you see that point of view, even if you disagree with it. If not, I'll leave to practicing politics on your own.

I try to understand, truthfully, but as of yet, there was no solid point made why this is needed. Only redirects and whataboutism. That is the pinnacle of political discussions.

I think it is fine to agree to disagree this time.

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Joshua Amaju

This your attempt to separate tech from the people that make the tech, you can't have the tech without the people. They both go hand in hand.

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picked out by me on my first day so why is he now sitting in it

I'm just gonna raise my hand here and say that I've been that guy.