Dev Comms Lead at @Catchpoint, working on @RealWebPageTest™.
Toronto Web Performance, JAMstack TORONTO curator.
Conference speaker, consultant and organizer.
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I can appreciate the vigilance of data savings, but your take seems more personal than anything. You see, I can have oatmeal for breakfast, and rice for dinner -- everyday. But I know I might be one of a select few who has the appetite for such a diet. The majority of ppl? They want more flavour.
I don't sense the idea that in the age of great cameras, and ever better screens, that ppl are willing to accept poor fidelity. Now that's the the UX end.
On the DX end, this seems like extraordinary steps for poor images. Again, I'm all for data savings, but there are so many more steps I would take before considering dithering (which I wouldn't consider UNLESS I was serving in largely poor network conditions). Lazy loading is largely under utilized.
You mentioned HTTP Archive? Well @ 75th percentile, you can save as much as 700kb. httparchive.org/reports/state-of-i...
Image compression could also provide as much as 200kb in savings @ p75 as well: httparchive.org/reports/state-of-i...
So we have nearly 1MB about the gate. Let's not sizing them properly, art direction, and ultimately, reducing the amount of images (would you rather a bad image or none?). If I was mega desperate, I would experiment w/ desaturated images, and even add a slight near imperceptible blur to said images as this impacts the JPG's compression opportunities for the better. But these would be absolute last resorts.
Too much work is being done in this end of town to revert back to days of monochrome looks. AVIF is going stable in FireFox Feb 2021. We have to move fwd.
PS -- if you're curious at all, I curated a series of talks on images in 2020: bit.ly/image_ready_videos . Cheers and thanks for the post. Great convo.
I think dithered images look cool, so for me it's a no brainer. But, you're 100% right. I don't expect this to become the norm, nor probably should it, and we should concentrate first on the easy wins.
I'm working on some tools to help make dithering an easy win for those who do want to do it: github | dither-me-this.
Thanks for the list of videos, I'll watch them all. And I remember enjoying your talk at perf.now() so I'll give that another watch too. Thanks again.
Dev Comms Lead at @Catchpoint, working on @RealWebPageTest™.
Toronto Web Performance, JAMstack TORONTO curator.
Conference speaker, consultant and organizer.
#DevsWhoRun.
Thx. But let do me know if/when you'd like to present Dither Me This. Happy to provide a stage/opportunity. Sounds like a lightning talk? 15 min? Happy to chat about it. Keep me posted! Thanks again.
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I can appreciate the vigilance of data savings, but your take seems more personal than anything. You see, I can have oatmeal for breakfast, and rice for dinner -- everyday. But I know I might be one of a select few who has the appetite for such a diet. The majority of ppl? They want more flavour.
I don't sense the idea that in the age of great cameras, and ever better screens, that ppl are willing to accept poor fidelity. Now that's the the UX end.
On the DX end, this seems like extraordinary steps for poor images. Again, I'm all for data savings, but there are so many more steps I would take before considering dithering (which I wouldn't consider UNLESS I was serving in largely poor network conditions). Lazy loading is largely under utilized.
You mentioned HTTP Archive? Well @ 75th percentile, you can save as much as 700kb. httparchive.org/reports/state-of-i...
Image compression could also provide as much as 200kb in savings @ p75 as well: httparchive.org/reports/state-of-i...
So we have nearly 1MB about the gate. Let's not sizing them properly, art direction, and ultimately, reducing the amount of images (would you rather a bad image or none?). If I was mega desperate, I would experiment w/ desaturated images, and even add a slight near imperceptible blur to said images as this impacts the JPG's compression opportunities for the better. But these would be absolute last resorts.
Too much work is being done in this end of town to revert back to days of monochrome looks. AVIF is going stable in FireFox Feb 2021. We have to move fwd.
PS -- if you're curious at all, I curated a series of talks on images in 2020: bit.ly/image_ready_videos . Cheers and thanks for the post. Great convo.
I think dithered images look cool, so for me it's a no brainer. But, you're 100% right. I don't expect this to become the norm, nor probably should it, and we should concentrate first on the easy wins.
I'm working on some tools to help make dithering an easy win for those who do want to do it: github | dither-me-this.
Thanks for the list of videos, I'll watch them all. And I remember enjoying your talk at perf.now() so I'll give that another watch too. Thanks again.
Thx. But let do me know if/when you'd like to present Dither Me This. Happy to provide a stage/opportunity. Sounds like a lightning talk? 15 min? Happy to chat about it. Keep me posted! Thanks again.