Graduated in Digital Media M.Sc. now developing the next generation of educational software. Since a while I develop full stack in Javascript using Meteor. Love fitness and Muay Thai after work.
If a language has really issues or becomes useless it will actually disappear (see flash, which I really enjoyed to develop using the Flex framework).
However, I see both php and Js as languages growing and in a positive way. (Not comparable to the frameworks that are growing too fast and hype driven, mature tech gets labeled as dead etc.).
ActionScript didn't disappear because it had issues.
Steve Jobs shamed it out of existence.
He should have done that to PHP, I've personally wrote to him when he was still alive, but killing PHP wasn't in his business plans. PHP was harmless he said.
I don't totally agree with this - because once a language reaches a certain "critical mass" of installed legacy codebases, it will tend to live, in some capacity, nearly forever. Flash died because there were almost no business applications that truly depended upon it. The vast majority of stuff written in it was for fluff-presentation - or entertainment. And that stuff can all be "turned off" if The Powers That Be deem it so. (By the way - I too did Flex dev - and I loved it. Sigh...)
But if your point is just that PHP isn't truly "dying" in any substantive sense, and thus it will never really "go away", then I completely agree with you. There are too many huge legacy systems (WordPress, Wikipedia, etc.) for it to ever truly DIE.
I also agree that PHP is growing and it's growing in a very positive way. But many in the dev community do not "see" it this way. And even though it IS growing, it's not growing at the same rate as JS. When I say "growing", I don't mean just the number of new LoC that are being written in it every year. I'm referring more to the rate at which new advancements are being made in the language. In this regard, JS seems to be lapping the field, IMHO.
Finally, seeing some of the early comments on this post, I realize that my viewpoint is very US-centric. I have noticed that PHP isn't quite the pariah in other countries that it is in the US. Outside the US, there are still plenty of people who see PHP as a viable language to learn and to use for new applications. In the US, I feel like this viewpoint is much different amongst the "senior developer" crowd.
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If a language has really issues or becomes useless it will actually disappear (see flash, which I really enjoyed to develop using the Flex framework).
However, I see both php and Js as languages growing and in a positive way. (Not comparable to the frameworks that are growing too fast and hype driven, mature tech gets labeled as dead etc.).
ActionScript didn't disappear because it had issues.
Steve Jobs shamed it out of existence.
He should have done that to PHP, I've personally wrote to him when he was still alive, but killing PHP wasn't in his business plans. PHP was harmless he said.
I don't totally agree with this - because once a language reaches a certain "critical mass" of installed legacy codebases, it will tend to live, in some capacity, nearly forever. Flash died because there were almost no business applications that truly depended upon it. The vast majority of stuff written in it was for fluff-presentation - or entertainment. And that stuff can all be "turned off" if The Powers That Be deem it so. (By the way - I too did Flex dev - and I loved it. Sigh...)
But if your point is just that PHP isn't truly "dying" in any substantive sense, and thus it will never really "go away", then I completely agree with you. There are too many huge legacy systems (WordPress, Wikipedia, etc.) for it to ever truly DIE.
I also agree that PHP is growing and it's growing in a very positive way. But many in the dev community do not "see" it this way. And even though it IS growing, it's not growing at the same rate as JS. When I say "growing", I don't mean just the number of new LoC that are being written in it every year. I'm referring more to the rate at which new advancements are being made in the language. In this regard, JS seems to be lapping the field, IMHO.
Finally, seeing some of the early comments on this post, I realize that my viewpoint is very US-centric. I have noticed that PHP isn't quite the pariah in other countries that it is in the US. Outside the US, there are still plenty of people who see PHP as a viable language to learn and to use for new applications. In the US, I feel like this viewpoint is much different amongst the "senior developer" crowd.