One of the most salient features of our Tech Hiring culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted.
Being polite is indeed generally a good idea.
But you know the range you are going to pay employees right?
You are going to evaluate me right?
So why must I guess?
I hope you are not paying people mostly based on how good they are at negociating.
You know that you are paying people doing web development like me between 42k€ and 50k€, aren't you going to pay something in that range depending on how you evaluate me to be skilled and useful to the company?
I would understand that you pay sales people depending on how good they negociate,
because for sales people being good at that is part of the job.
But for a dev it's very much not.
Devs are often super stressed by the salary question.
Companies like Buffer who are doing salary transparency work super well and I guess it's because transparency removes that stress
--> buffer.com/open
I think that's a very fair point that engineers often aren't as strong at negotiating at sales people and that unfairly under-compensates them.
Agree big fan on salary transparency, it makes things fairer and also saves time all round. Salaries up front do need to be a fairly wide range though, as it will depend on the candidate/market/timing etc too as the real world is complex.
One of the most salient features of our Tech Hiring culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted.
You are right, salary transparency is more like an ideal to strive for. Even Buffer didn't start with the salary calculator they have today.
But there are middle grounds.
I got all my four last contracts based on an open discussion of what they need and what I can provide. Then they made me an offer and I accepted it. It may be uncommon but starting a collaboration based on mutual trust is great
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Being polite is indeed generally a good idea.
But you know the range you are going to pay employees right?
You are going to evaluate me right?
So why must I guess?
I hope you are not paying people mostly based on how good they are at negociating.
You know that you are paying people doing web development like me between 42k€ and 50k€, aren't you going to pay something in that range depending on how you evaluate me to be skilled and useful to the company?
I would understand that you pay sales people depending on how good they negociate,
because for sales people being good at that is part of the job.
But for a dev it's very much not.
Devs are often super stressed by the salary question.
Companies like Buffer who are doing salary transparency work super well and I guess it's because transparency removes that stress
--> buffer.com/open
I think that's a very fair point that engineers often aren't as strong at negotiating at sales people and that unfairly under-compensates them.
Agree big fan on salary transparency, it makes things fairer and also saves time all round. Salaries up front do need to be a fairly wide range though, as it will depend on the candidate/market/timing etc too as the real world is complex.
You are right, salary transparency is more like an ideal to strive for. Even Buffer didn't start with the salary calculator they have today.
But there are middle grounds.
I got all my four last contracts based on an open discussion of what they need and what I can provide. Then they made me an offer and I accepted it. It may be uncommon but starting a collaboration based on mutual trust is great