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Jeremy Woertink

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Programming in the Adult Entertainment Industry is Broken

I've deleted the post because some of you are [insert expletive]. The client I do work for is not doing anything illegal. There's no money laundering going on. It's a more legit business than some big-chain stores I shop at.

To those of you spreading the "you're admitting to fraud" comments, you're the reason we can't have nice things.

To those of you that supported the article, and were generally appreciative to read this, I want to thank you so much. You gave me a reason to want to continue writing more, but since others can't play nice, I won't be doing any other posts.

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Marcus Gallegos

Can we please bring this post back?

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Dave Cridland

Damn it. I spent a while just now looking for this exact post to share with someone, and it's gone! I'm sorry you felt obliged to delete it, I found it really insightful.

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Mihail Malo

I'm sorry about the reception you got and what I assume the article was.
Is there anywhere else I can read it?

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Nailson Landim

Well, i started reading the article and had to pause to do other stuff, and when i came back... well, i understand you!

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Aswath KNM

I always wondered where do the adult site gets their programmers from !!!

From a technical point of view, they have one of the largest video hosting sites and I saw many times that even youtube copies some of their features...

But I never had a chance to read any of their technical posts...

I really wish to know how the technical side operate.

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Jeremy Woertink

I kind of want to do a post on the video side of things. Encoding, hosting, streaming, etc... Maybe if I stay super technical, I won't have people all up in arms about stuff.

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meladath • Edited

This is precisely why cryptocurrency was invented.

Once the average joe starts getting abused by banks/payment processors, people will start to realise just how little they own their "money". Hopefully that will help people shift towards it.

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katy lavallee

Aww man, I would have liked to have read this one.

You gave me a reason to want to continue writing more, but since others can't play nice, I won't be doing any other posts.

You gotta protect yourself, but I wish you would reconsider.

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Jeremy Woertink

Thank you. I'll probably do more posts, but maybe not around this same topic.

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Ben Halpern

I'm sorry Jeremy. This was a cool post and it seemed like the initial discussion here was quite positive. Things may have turned when it landed on Hacker News, as is often the case. That whole discussion seems to be largely about juvenile accusations, and I'm sorry things leaked here. We'll be moderating.

Thanks for a great post Jeremy. Let us know if there is anything more we can do to help the situation.

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Jeremy Woertink

^ this just made my day ❤️ I appreciate that. I really wanted to write more on the topic from the dev side of things, but I don't think I can at this point. I'll just keep my posts boring 😅

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Ben Halpern

Reach out to me and the team directly about any issues.

And, while we try to stay on top of these things, jerks filter in. Thanks for understanding.

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Jordan L

@Jeremy look into
tmmwiki.com/index.php/NATS4_RSBilling

Should fix a lot of your credit card issues.

Not sure how well it works these days, but used to work great.

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Riaan Pietersen

Are you playing a rusty trombone in your profile pic mate? ;) hahahahaha!

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Jeremy Woertink

Tuba, but I get the reference.

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Peter Kim Frank

This is very interesting, thanks for sharing.

The fact is, this industry leads the technology market.

So many don't recognize this fact. Here's a good article on the subject.

Off the top of my head, the porn industry helped lead the way for domain name speculation, credit card processing, video streaming, etc.

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Gabriel Guzman

I'd say led the market is more accurate. Yes, they were very early adopters of video streaming, but since then they've been very stagnant. I don't think there has been much innovation in this space for quite some time.

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Jeremy Woertink

Nice! Thanks for the article suggestion. It's pretty crazy how it works out constantly dealing with cutting edge tech.

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Chad Windham • Edited

So my take away is what I suspected. Work with shady business and deal with lots of non-sense. Thanks for writing this, it confirms my suspicion that making morally upright decisions makes life easier all around.

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Michael Loftis

Honestly the thing that makes a lot of the shady companies shady is the idiocy of the banks not wanting to handle it and forcing them to be shady. Add in the high horse morality and the ZOMG MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO SAVE THE CHILDRENS knee jerk laws like USC 2257 (forcing sites, not just producers, to keep PII on models) and more recently FOSTA-SESTA which actually causes more sex trafficking and abuse of sex workers.

Similar problems with cannabis. At least in some places people finally don't have to go to a completely illegal drug dealer to get it now.

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Chad Windham

Kinda missing the point. If you want to pretend that women selling themselves is ok, then go for it. Sure, some sex trafficking is way worse than others. But I don't believe porn, prostitution or any of that stuff is good. Cannabis I could care less about even though I don't think recreational drug use is a good idea in general (from my own personal experience in my younger years). But I think it is silly to complain about "the difficulties" of running an industry that is not in compliance with federal regulations. The banks aren't forcing anybody to be shady... But people are responsible for themselves. I'll never take a job in an industry I think is foundationally wrong. I'm sure sites like Silk Road needed developers, but I would not choose to be one of them. To each his own.

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Dustin King

But I don't believe porn, prostitution or any of that stuff is good.

Then don't buy it. It's the performer's or sex worker's own body; it's their choice what to do with it.

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Chad Windham • Edited

I don't buy it. Thanks for the advice. It is also a persons choice to shoot up heroin, doesn't make it a good idea. Never said it wasn't their choice (in fact, I did say "people are responsible for themselves"). I said it was bad.

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meladath • Edited

Good job reinforcing an already incorrect stigma.

You do realise it is entirely possibly to "shoot up heroine" (heroin* FTFY) in an entirely controlled and safe manner, with very little risk involved?

Is every single operation patient a raving addicted madman? Nope. Which is funny, because they shoot up heroin on doctor's permission; in one of the safest buildings you can be in!

It is also possible to abuse it. But that is the individual's choice.

Do you think that cheeseburgers should be illegal? They cause just as much, if not more damage.

Our minds are incredibly complex things and we know almost nothing of the world. Do not draw lines in the sand so easily.

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Chad Windham

LOL. I don't think considering a heroin dependency being a bad thing is an "incorrect stigma".

Is every single operation patient a raving addicted madman? Nope. Which is funny, because they shoot up heroin on doctor's permission; in one of the safest buildings you can be in!

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make with that. Not really related to anything IMO. Seems like grasping at straws.

Do you think that cheeseburgers should be illegal? They cause just as much, if not more damage. (QFT?)

Really?.. Similar to above. But I'm willing to argue a simple obvious point. How many "hamburger" users versus heroin users are there in the world? Percentage wise, how much greater is the frequency of "damage" (whatever you meant by that term). I don't have any sources, but I'd be willing to bet everything I own that heroin users suffer far greater amounts of "damage" and at a greater frequency per capita than do "hamburger users".

Are you literally trying to argue that you think shooting up hard drugs recreationally is a good idea? You would tell your children when they grow up, or a sibling or best friend. "I think you should go get some heroin and shoot it up. That will help you out and improve your overall quality of life" ???

Also, I never stated that drugs or porn or anything should be illegal. I will emphatically state however that some things are "bad" (as in the literal definition of the word).

I have no expectation that what I post here will change anybody's mind. But it is the internet and I can voice my opinion (as can anyone else). I'm not attacking anybody (I've made many "bad" decisions in my life). But I will state my opinion on some things and then politely defend them if somebody takes the time to try and refute a statement I make. I can't make anybody believe something is "bad" or "wrong". But I can say it and let them decide for themselves.

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Jide Lambo

What does it take to be a designer and developer in the Adult entertainment industry?

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Jeremy Woertink

Just did a quick search and saw that Mindgeek is hiring for UI/UX. A lot of these sites have a parent company that isn't as well known. Finding these parent companies, and then searching for a job. Or knowing someone on the inside that can get you in.

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Jide Lambo

Thanks Jeremy. Perhaps, can you kindly list a few of these parent companies?

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