Now the .Net core ecosystem is obviously not as popular as the React ecosystem.
.NET is backend only, there's no comparison here other than popularity.
Lacks the advanced OSS tooling in the JS world - for more advanced linting, refactoring tools, code formatting you need to pay (ex for Resharper or Rider
Not true, Visual Studio is free! There no better IDE in the world than Visual Studio. For me I'd never touch ASP.NET Core using only VS Code.
The community is not so vibrant. And a lot of folks are not so open to sharing things. This ecosystem would have great success if people would be more open and share things more
In general a true statement, the ASP.NET world existed before open source and NPM, so there's not a lot of continuous chatter about it. ASP.NET is just a stable, constantly progressing state-of-the-art product. The amount of engineering behind it is massive. Plus it's one of Microsoft's only footholds (other than Typescript) into the web world. MSFT won't let it die and NODE backend isn't there yet popularity wise.
I wouldn't say the community is not vibrant as there's over 20 years of ASP.NET work which has gone on before now. That amounts to a huge community. Things just work so what's there to chatter about?
And a lot of folks are not so open to sharing things.
This is true, I recall when NPM showed up the world. At the time MSFT had their own concept an sites to do the same thing. It never amounted to much and finally they retired it, moving to GitHub concepts for C# stuff.
But even so, there was a silence among the C# crowd in my opinion and a lot of flamers on StackOverflow for C# questions. Many of the folks were just mean to new folks in my opinion. Even the experts were more prone to tell you how dumb your questions was because before answering they'd say things like "Why would you want to do that?". etc. etc.
Is it worth it today to be a PolyGlot? Absolutely, the only problem now is what languages do you want to know?
You may be surprised to know that the Java Spring community is huge. It surprised me. Even so, JQuery is still #1 according to S.O. dev survey this year. React is 2nd and Angular 3rd.
One thing is for sure, the industry is slow to catch up which gives us plenty of time to learn what we need to learn. Today if you know React and ASP.NET Core, you're safe.
Thanks for the excellent comment! Yes popularity wise I was not comparing it to React, but to other backend ecosystems out there. It is clearly very popular, but not as talked about and shared so much like as you said Java Spring, GO or Node. It's a pitty because as you said, ASP.NET Core is really a state of the art framework.
I also like Visual Studio + Resharper, and agree it's harder to code C# on VS Code - and I think this is exactly one of the huge problems. You should not depend on VS. You should have cross-platform, free tools that make DX excellent, not depend on VS that is not cross platform (yeah I'm aware of VS for mac).
Thanks Krystian, I did give it a try some time ago - maybe two or even more years. Will check it out again when I have some time. Would like it if VSCode could do all I need - React, TS, C#.
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.NET is backend only, there's no comparison here other than popularity.
Not true, Visual Studio is free! There no better IDE in the world than Visual Studio. For me I'd never touch ASP.NET Core using only VS Code.
In general a true statement, the ASP.NET world existed before open source and NPM, so there's not a lot of continuous chatter about it. ASP.NET is just a stable, constantly progressing state-of-the-art product. The amount of engineering behind it is massive. Plus it's one of Microsoft's only footholds (other than Typescript) into the web world. MSFT won't let it die and NODE backend isn't there yet popularity wise.
I wouldn't say the community is not vibrant as there's over 20 years of ASP.NET work which has gone on before now. That amounts to a huge community. Things just work so what's there to chatter about?
This is true, I recall when NPM showed up the world. At the time MSFT had their own concept an sites to do the same thing. It never amounted to much and finally they retired it, moving to GitHub concepts for C# stuff.
But even so, there was a silence among the C# crowd in my opinion and a lot of flamers on StackOverflow for C# questions. Many of the folks were just mean to new folks in my opinion. Even the experts were more prone to tell you how dumb your questions was because before answering they'd say things like "Why would you want to do that?". etc. etc.
Is it worth it today to be a PolyGlot? Absolutely, the only problem now is what languages do you want to know?
You may be surprised to know that the Java Spring community is huge. It surprised me. Even so, JQuery is still #1 according to S.O. dev survey this year. React is 2nd and Angular 3rd.
One thing is for sure, the industry is slow to catch up which gives us plenty of time to learn what we need to learn. Today if you know React and ASP.NET Core, you're safe.
Thanks for the excellent comment! Yes popularity wise I was not comparing it to React, but to other backend ecosystems out there. It is clearly very popular, but not as talked about and shared so much like as you said Java Spring, GO or Node. It's a pitty because as you said, ASP.NET Core is really a state of the art framework.
I also like Visual Studio + Resharper, and agree it's harder to code C# on VS Code - and I think this is exactly one of the huge problems. You should not depend on VS. You should have cross-platform, free tools that make DX excellent, not depend on VS that is not cross platform (yeah I'm aware of VS for mac).
I did some Java work 2 years ago after a 10 year hiatus. IntelliJ was good but not close to Visual Studio. Java Ides are still sick.
If you want cross-platform IDE I would say that Rider is the best and it is way faster than VS.
Thanks Krystian, I did give it a try some time ago - maybe two or even more years. Will check it out again when I have some time. Would like it if VSCode could do all I need - React, TS, C#.