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I highly disagree with your support for fiverr. This has nothing to do with whether or not you can make a living through Fiverr but it is because people who know nothing about software development and web design pricing think that this work should be easy for us and thus should be paid cheaply. We as developers have to make a stand by not caving to low ballers simply because we may just need the money. Clients need to understand that good work requires plenty of time and a decent pay. Unfortunately, many devs outside of the US charge way too cheaply for these services, thus lowering expectations of pricing.
Thereβs another way to look at it: view Fiverr et al as acquisition channels. Having seen the βbuyingβ side as well, the race to the bottom not only applies to prices but also quality, unfortunately. Whenever we contract someone from these platforms, we have to go through smaller projects since few people are willing to do an interview upfront. As Kyle pointed out, one small deal can lead to much bigger gigs and happy relationships and all you need to do is let quality shine through.
Exactly, Arne :) thanks for understanding it in context
I totally agree
Thanks for your opinion, Oziel :)
How much would you charge? (I would appreciate having examples including the position, language and experience if you could give)
I haven't landed my first job yet.
Assuming you live in the US, it depends on the project. If it's a small static website (3 - 7 pages with no blog template), then the minimum I would charge is $500, especially if it's Wordpress; if you are a more experienced designer and can dish out a really good looking website, then you should be charging $800 - $1200, especially if there are a lot of unique pages (like landing pages) and if you are integrating a back end language for templating or for access to a database for storing a bit of data; high end websites could be $1400 to $2000. Then as you get in to the realm of e-commerce or large blogs, you have to start charging a minimum of $1000 but more like $1400 to $5000 depending on how big the business is (small shops would be in the lower range and large corporations would be charged that big price).
Speaking of e-commerce, we should now mention web and mobile apps. If you are doing those types of projects, it's actually better to charge hourly because those projects can last 3 to 6 months, so you want to be compensated fairly for that. Junior devs would be charged $16 - $22/ hour, mid level would be like $24 - $30, and seniors would be $32 and above. In some projects, you could do a contract of a base fee like $1200 for a web app, plus an hourly rate for anything that's outside the scope of the work (think deployment, testing, making changes to work that's already been done, etc.).
Of course these are my opinions on pricing so each developer's rates will differ. For the average stack of technologies like Python, JavaScript, PHP, the usual databases like MySQL or SQLite, you would refer to the rates I mentioned, but for more enterprise-level technologies like Java, .NET, SQL Server, you would charge a bit more. If you know rare stuff like COBOL or similar legacy tech, you could charge serious cash because there's not as many developers out there that know those skills and many government agencies and corporations still rely on that.
Thank you for the detailed explanation!
Sign up on RemoteMore, they have a remote salary calculator.
It tells you how much others with a similar background to yours charge in remote developer jobs.
Excellent list! This must have taken a good chunk of time to write :) Well done! Especially liked your point about starting small. Great advice, just make sure that you don't get stuck in that mindset :)
May we add our own resource, as well? CodersRank is a platform where you connect your public and private repos to create your profile. Based on your real work/experience, we connect you with the most relevant jobs and recruiters. codersrank.io
Have a great day!
Thank you :)
Great! Thanks for sharing CodersRank - it looks like a very helpful resource :)
Hi Kyle - FYI Remote Leads premium service is a scam. I and a few others are having to reclaim our money through our banks. You can see full details here - twitter.com/HAJBlack/status/130807...
Hmmm interesting.
Obviously there's more to the story, but it doesn't seem like twitter.com/levelsio style?
Remoteleads.io is not levelsio's site (his is remoteok.io which is awesome).
Remoteleads.io is by Derick Sozo/Ruiz - twitter.com/dericksozo
Great list Kyle. I recommend adding DailyRemote(dailyremote.com) as it is also one of the great remote job boards with daily updated jobs posted in various categories such as Software Development, Design, Support, Sales, Writing, Product, Legal, Finance, etc.
Awesome :) thanks for sharing this, Daniel :)
Probably one of the oldest job boards for remote jobs that I know of! Most of them nowadays belong to the same company btw. It's quite interesting to see, how big of a business that is..
Very informative article π
Just a little surprised that you didn't include indeed.com and angel.co which are among the best sites for remote jobs.
Thanks for sharing those links Mohsin :)
There are plently of others like Craigslist, etc. that I didn't include in this article, but I hope this current list was helpful π
What are most popular payment methods (outside PayPal) to use when freelancing?
Depends on the client. My biggest client pays by check, via snail mail (US Postal Service). Another client likes to pay via bank transfers (ACH). I've also used Stripe invoices a few times to accept credit card payments.
Recently doing with TransferWise and I am happy with it.
I also compared remote job aggregators and got a bit different results.
Also, I found a new source βΒ Bergamot.io, probably, it might be interesting for you tool :) Thanks for the article!
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Thank you for the great post, Kyle!
I would definitely add π RemoteMore:
π join.remotemore.com/devto π
It is a marketplace for full-time/part-time remote jobs.
With over 300 remote companies hiring through it.
Awesome list Kyle. I recommend adding OnlyRemoteJobs (onlyremotejobs.io) as it is also one of the great remote job boards with daily updated jobs posted in various categories such as Software Development, Design, Support, Sales, Writing, Product, Legal, Finance, etc. Thanks in advance! :)
I completely understand the context why you mentioned Fiverr + Upwork here, after reading some of your comments (above/below).
Things:
I also worked on a remote job, with my team with focus on manual screening of every job. You can check out here, feedback is appreciated.
Regards,
Judy Smith
Sorry But I Disagree with you on the Case of Fiverr and Upwork. Both of These Platforms are very old and many freelancers are working there as Full-Time Employees. These individuals are holding the Upwork and Fiverr for More than 7-8 Years and They Have a Monopoly in this case. They charge clients as much as they want because their rating is high and they are old.
Both of these platforms are not for beginners, Beginners will have to make a lot of effort in order to get started with the Fiverr and Upwork.
You haven't even asked how I generated 5 figures with Fiverr :)
It's all about the strategy, Abdur... there will ALWAYS be others with more experience.
You can learn more here - youtube.com/watch?v=h3sBU6Q-3c0
Read it properly though - it's AN option, not my main recommendation.
Thanks for your opinion :)
Well done putting together such a comprehensive list, with well-researched pros and cons.
I recently built a new resource for finding remote work because I was frustrated with a few things:
Remote Technology Jobs is what I built to address these issues:
standardresume.co/remote-jobs
If anyone has feedback, please let me know. We launched recently and still have a lot to learn!
Hey! Would be fun if you'd check out my site too and let me know what you think? ππ
remotehub.io
Looks good :) thanks for sharing
π remotemore.com/candidates
For remote developer jobs - you should definitely check out RemoteMore.
On RemoteMore, there are over 300 remote companies hiring.
The positions are fully remote and long-term (both full-time and part-time).
π RemoteMore
Solid article. I'd be interested to see what your wish tech employers included in their remote-work dev job postings as well.
Very helpful article. We are also running a remote jobs board here: up2staff.com Please kindly consider adding it to your list. Many thanks!
Talking about lists - this one is the longest I have seen so far: ryrob.com/remote-jobs-websites/
Thanks for the article. I have looked into a couple of these but not all the ones you have listed.
I have a job board and I want to integrate Google SERPAPI with it. Can you provide guidelines how to integrate it? Or do it for me. My email Saeed.muhd@gmail.com while the portal is careersarabia.com, I am feeling difficulty in sourcing jobs in it. Please support me.
remotemax.co has a big list of remote development jobs.
You can also find remote jobs at onlyremotejobs.io
Thanks!
I was wondering on how to get started working remotely and after going through this article I now have a clue how. Thank you Kyle
Sure, Jones :)
Watch this youtube.com/watch?v=_HXVfBOswV8
And check out the blog on studywebdevelopment.com
Don't use Upwork or Fiverr. You're killing the business, you're killing the industry. You're digging your own grave.
Those are some strong words there, George :)
I've made some good cash from Fiverr and I know many others who have on UpWork and others as well.
There's a lot more mentioned in the article than UpWork and Fiverr and I clearly mention it's A WAY - not the BEST way.
I'm suggesting that people should try everything, but as their main focus, to build their own portfolio website and use that as their priority.
Cheers mate much appreciated!
Cheers Brendin :)
I would like to add
remotive.io
as well as
StackOverflow jobs (They have an option to filter for remote jobs)
Thank you for sharing!
This is helpful for our HackYourFuture graduates, all looking for a first job as junior webdevelopers.
tinyboards.co/ owns most of the well-running job boards. They started buying them several years ago.
Thank for sharing Kyle. I also got a job offer on workly.dev/. You can find jobs for freelancers there.
I have just build one remote job board, still ongoing though, hopefully i will find a niche for it soon. enremoto.co
Best Resource to get hired
Maybe my site remotedevjob.io would be interesting to you too
Looks like no negative things may happen during a freelancing career. Especially for embedded, IoT, data science areas.
@kyle Prinsloo :
Thank you for sharing; the information you shared is really helpful to everyone: it saves energy and time; thank you again for sharing
Many thanks, Javier :)