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Maximilian Burszley • Edited

stuck with IntelliJ.

It's funny you phrase it that way because every Java dev (and other lang devs) I know likes it way more than Eclipse.

Teaching Python is just teaching bad design like "spaces are important" or OO is just passing "this" as first argument.

Using statements like that makes me think you don't understand why people teach Python first or know Python at all.

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Guillaume Maillard

By "stuck", I mean, on Android you have no choice.
IntelliJ is slow, the debugger is far from the Eclipse one, it doesn't handle large projects (> 500klocs, ie the kind of projects I'm working on)... the list of issues is long.
See jrebel.com/blog/java-ide-usage-stats for real stats,
IntelliJ is #2 (thanks for Android).

People teach Python mainly because of AI frameworks.

Some aspects of why to teach (as a first langage is not a good idea) can be found here : medium.com/@natemurthy/all-the-thi...

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Maximilian Burszley • Edited

People teach Python mainly because of AI frameworks.

Yeah.. no. It's a multi-purpose, multi-paradigm language where it's strengths are being general-purpose and multi-platform. Long seen as an alternative to bash scripting for complex automation, used as a web framework with the likes of Django and flask, and many other things are built on it. The ML/AI packages are fairly recent and built on C anyways

A 2,000 person survey is quite small.

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Leonora Tindall

The Murthy rant doesn't specifically address Python as a first language, and also really very... correct.

In any case, I'm not arguing for any particular language or tool - just against slapping bandaids on problems that require thoughtful solutions.