I've been a professional C, Perl, PHP and Python developer.
I'm an ex-sysadmin from the late 20th century.
These days I do more Javascript and CSS and whatnot, and promote UX and accessibility.
Ideally, what the company is prepared to pay for an employee should be the same regardless of where they live. If someone lives in an expensive part of the world, gets a job, then moves somewhere cheaper, how much cheaper does it have to be before the company gives them a pay cut? Just outside the city limits? Across the country? Another continent?
Capitalism gonna capitalise.
My real complaint comes from companies who say things like, "fully remote in London". Believe me, they say this. I can literally never have to go into an office but if I live 40 miles away in the same country then I need not apply. That's not a tax issue, it's a company being the kind of place I don't want to touch.
City restrictions are ridiculous. I've never come across them personally, but I have seen people getting rejected by not living close enough to HQ, which obviously deserves all our eye rolls 🙄
All companies I've worked with have given the same to all their remote devs. However, I do not think it's unreasonable to have some type of normalization based on the country. They will be supplying the same standard of living so to speak.
I've been a professional C, Perl, PHP and Python developer.
I'm an ex-sysadmin from the late 20th century.
These days I do more Javascript and CSS and whatnot, and promote UX and accessibility.
I think pay should be based on how much value the company is getting from the work rather than some pseudo-moral decision the company makes about the employee's home life. I know it's not that straightforward, but maybe if it was there'd be a better world.
On the other side let's say a company finds a great engineer from Nigeria (there are many) where the yearly seems to top out at 17M NGN (Lagos salaries) that's 11k USD/year. That engineer is not going to be unhappy with 30k 🤷♂️ But 30k is way too little for any other country in the west. Effectively, raising salaries for all in the cheaper country while raising competition.
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Ideally, what the company is prepared to pay for an employee should be the same regardless of where they live. If someone lives in an expensive part of the world, gets a job, then moves somewhere cheaper, how much cheaper does it have to be before the company gives them a pay cut? Just outside the city limits? Across the country? Another continent?
Capitalism gonna capitalise.
My real complaint comes from companies who say things like, "fully remote in London". Believe me, they say this. I can literally never have to go into an office but if I live 40 miles away in the same country then I need not apply. That's not a tax issue, it's a company being the kind of place I don't want to touch.
That would be a red flag for me as well 🤓
City restrictions are ridiculous. I've never come across them personally, but I have seen people getting rejected by not living close enough to HQ, which obviously deserves all our eye rolls 🙄
All companies I've worked with have given the same to all their remote devs. However, I do not think it's unreasonable to have some type of normalization based on the country. They will be supplying the same standard of living so to speak.
I think pay should be based on how much value the company is getting from the work rather than some pseudo-moral decision the company makes about the employee's home life. I know it's not that straightforward, but maybe if it was there'd be a better world.
I agree with that 🙂
On the other side let's say a company finds a great engineer from Nigeria (there are many) where the yearly seems to top out at 17M NGN (Lagos salaries) that's 11k USD/year. That engineer is not going to be unhappy with 30k 🤷♂️ But 30k is way too little for any other country in the west. Effectively, raising salaries for all in the cheaper country while raising competition.