DEV Community

Cover image for We are starting a new country called Promatia, Ask Me Anything!

We are starting a new country called Promatia, Ask Me Anything!

AlbertMarashi on January 10, 2020

We're starting a new country focused on digital governance, technological innovation, and a "Digital by default" policy. Our government will digit...
Collapse
 
jmfayard profile image
Jean-Michel πŸ•΅πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ Fayard • Edited

From your website, I understand that modern states are old, not pragmatic, not let by citizens, not for citizens, don't allow to pursue their life goals, don't have a unique kind of government systems, have old infrastructure, bald living standards, are old in a lot of aspects of governmance, banking, education and more, don't like to take risks, etc...

WOW it seems like noone could design such a bad system from scratch.

But why then?

What is your general theory of why the existing states ended up in a such terrible state?

Collapse
 
albertmarashi profile image
AlbertMarashi Promatia

Because nearly none were created when modern technology was around

Collapse
 
jmfayard profile image
Jean-Michel πŸ•΅πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ Fayard • Edited

Ok so if that's your general theory, mine is that you too much confidence in your own ability to analyze correctly 6.000 years of human history

Thread Thread
 
albertmarashi profile image
AlbertMarashi Promatia

They don't need to compete for citizens, which is why their systems degrade to such terrible usability, terrible services, thick bureaucracy.

There's no incentive to innovate or streamline government processeses because people are forced to deal with the government, whether they like it or not.

We, on the other hand, need to compete for citizens and will innovate and streamline the user experience of the citizen, to support people, businesses and settlement as much as possible

Thread Thread
 
jmfayard profile image
Jean-Michel πŸ•΅πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ Fayard • Edited

"they don't need to compete for citizens"

In my opinion, you are lacking a basic realistic theory of state, politics, human nature, ambitions, violence, struggle for power, ...

The utopias that were there before you knew much more about this stuff, but even them failed.

People who don't understand the State but think they can do 42 times better anyway make me laugh.

But apart from that, they cannot do any good.

Thread Thread
 
robertkinggroup profile image
Robert King

What Promatia is doing is that it is looking at governance in a different light. I am part of the project, yet I realize that there is a high chance it could fail (like any startup). However, if this is able to kickstart the competitive governance industry (leading to more choices), then we will see a large improvement in government service delivery and policy.

Collapse
 
silvanocerza profile image
Silvano Cerza

Which other nations have been united into Promatia other than Arkovia?

Why have they decided to join together?

How is the australian government permitting this?

Collapse
 
soaringmon profile image
SoaringMoon Promatia

The nations that have united to form Promatia are laid out in this document.

promatia.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces...

The decision to unify was a collection of individuals who had concluded that pooling together assets (and manpower) from multiple projects would benefit everyone involved.

Promatia has no intention to take land from the Australian government by force, but by normal acquisition through occupation (popular request). Promatia plans to build in the territory, settle the claim, create infrastructure, then connect to the surrounding area (figuratively and literally). We are using land that is not being used by, nor plans to be used in the near future.

The Australian government is not going to come remove people for building a new city on the continent. If all else fails, Promatia can become an incorporated autonomous state of Australia. Sovereignty is just plan A.

Collapse
 
silvanocerza profile image
Silvano Cerza • Edited

Promatia has no intention to take land from the Australian government by force, but by normal acquisition through occupation (popular request).

If all else fails, Promatia can become an incorporated autonomous state of Australia.

How would all this work? Does the Australian constitution expects something like this?

Thread Thread
 
albertmarashi profile image
AlbertMarashi Promatia

UN provides rights to people to have self-determination and therefore autonomous representation.

New countries will and have been created, and will continue to

Thread Thread
 
silvanocerza profile image
Silvano Cerza

The UN can't recognise a state though, other states do.

New countries can surely be created but they count nothing internationally if they're not recognized by some other state.

Also I repeat my unanswered question, does the Australian constitution expects something like this?

Thread Thread
 
albertmarashi profile image
AlbertMarashi Promatia

Never said the UN recognises other states, and we're not seeking recognition, we are seeking autonomous independence.

Australia's constitution is irrelevant, we are not part of Australia.

Collapse
 
mellen profile image
Matt Ellen-Tsivintzeli

Most problems in life are social and not technological.

A couple of situations off the top of my head:

How would Promatia deal with the housing problem, i.e. homeless people despite an abundance of places to live?

How would you deal with discrimination, e.g. shop owners not serving trans* people?

Collapse
 
albertmarashi profile image
AlbertMarashi Promatia

These are easily solvable problems. Housing isn't a problem if people have proper jobs, contribute to society. The government will make sure that we no homeless in Promatia. We will offer proper support and care for the disadvantaged

The second one solves itself, the government doesn't need to meddle in private affairs.

Collapse
 
mellen profile image
Matt Ellen-Tsivintzeli

Would you say you agree with the statement "people are only as valuable as what they produce"?

Thread Thread
 
albertmarashi profile image
AlbertMarashi Promatia

Everyone can be unbelievably valuable, and it's not limited to what they produce.

The issue is the education system isn't great in turning these individuals into valuable people.

Collapse
 
nickholmesde profile image
Nick Holmes

I learned all I needed to know about Promatia's founding fathers when I noticed the "Shop" link at the top of the web site.

Collapse
 
albertmarashi profile image
AlbertMarashi Promatia

We plan to fundraise early expenditures from merchandise sale, 100% of proceeds would go to the government.

Nothing wrong with giving our citizens flags, pins and small items to show their support for the cause

Collapse
 
max2472 profile image
max2472

What is the flag about