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Discussion on: How and Why I switch the Windows 10 to Linux (Ubuntu 18.0 LTS)

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Soram

"I have to give all of my internet data plan to Windows 10 for update"
Previous month total data used by windows update was around 500 MB, are you living on 500 MB/month internet plan? Last time I checked Arch Linux updates had around 1.7 GB of updates after a month.
"it is hard to get viruses on linux."
Lol it is completely untrue. It is just that linux cult community is so small that it is not profitable to make viruses for linux. In reality Windows 10 offers modern exploit mitigations and advanced security features and on linux a simple script can snatch your root password and the major part of so called linux open source community does nothing about security. Lol.
I really don't understand why linux users are so misinformed XD.

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Vinuka Kodituwakku

From your comment I can clearly see that you know nothing about Linux.Arch Linux is a rolling linux distro as per the definition of the name it gets updates every day I my self gets sometimes 5GB worth of updates every month thats the cost you have to bear to get the latest and greatest software and Kernel if you dont wont updates you can do with a vanilla Debian install or pop os (although I wouldn't recommend ubuntu).speaking of security its not that its not profitable to make a virus that work on linux there are many viruses that target linux but they are not efficient as that made for windows because of the permission management system of Linux.

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Soram

Security through obscurity just hides the fact that base system is actually less secure, the users being deceived. Have you ever read Android security docs and bulletin? Whonix docs? Qubes docs? Windows security docs? Do you even know the things I'm talking about? Probably not. You're just like "our permission model is best and prevent all security vulnerabilities from happening" ignoring how vulnerable is having xorg installed, the /proc leaking information, lack of strong sandboxing, moreover a compromised non-root account with sudo equals full root permission and your permission system won't help. We're talking about security model dude not permission model, they might have a tiny overlapping but dude they're not the same thing.

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Debarka Mondal

Try out zen kernel bro... I update daily on normal kernel the update varies from 2mb-250mb

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Me • Edited

Been using windows since win 3.1, msdos even earlier, linux since readhat 8 (probably earlier) and i tell you a few things: linux wont catch any virus of the likes of windows (linux has no registry like windows), no antivirus are required, (which makes your machine very slow), just a good privacy configuration. The update size is way way way smaller and faster than win10. Has no bloatware. Unless theres an exploit or you do it on purpose, rootkits will be the only viruses you get. I can keep on giving reasons about why linux is better. My only reasons to use windows are gaming, playing blurays and using visual studio (you cna always pay for jetpack's rider in linux and i actually prefer it over visual studio).
Linux users are no missinformed at all. Biggest computers in the world dont use windows for a very good reason (microsoft servers do actually use linux)

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winuxguy

accurate mate!

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corey Bruce

You can play blueraysajd use visual studio in Linux also what games do you mean because most in steam work in Linux

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gronkdaslayer

The windows registry is actually better than storing stuff into individual files. Of course there are less viruses on Linux, people don't write viruses and ransomware for something that has no measurable value. Linux gets ddos and hacks all day long, why? Because that's what most servers run. Following your logic Mac OS is the most secure OS in the world (another myth).

I use Linux everyday, so no, I'm not a Linux hater. It just ticks me off to read such a load of bullshit from people. If you don't like Windows, don't use it and just stop bashing it. That horse that y'all are beating can't get any deader.

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divinity76

Arch is a bleeding-edge distro, constant beta-updates akin to Windows Insider / dev channel. Ubuntu, especially the LTS versions of Ubuntu (and 18.04 Along with 20.04) is LTS, is the exact opposite of bleeding edge. Updated more often than Debian or CentOS, but far from bleeding edge

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Amritpal Singh

misinformed isn't the word I would use. Also what the fuck 500 mb only for a update? The majority of major updates of windows 10 are 2GB+ and plus all the background updating of UWP apps installed which I don't even need but came bloated with windows 10. Last time I checked arch doesn't have bloat.

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Soram

Many people using linux and open source software belive they're using the most secure and privacy friendly OS without knowing the reality. What else they should be called apart from misinformed? Imo people using linux should know what they're getting into. Traditional linux distros doesn't implement verified boot, selinux, strong sandboxing etc moreover linux is written in memory unsafe languages which makes it prone memory bugs. Linux only have security through obscurity since it isn't active target for malware but security model is non-existent on linux. I'm gonna say again Android != Linux.

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Amritpal Singh

written in memory unsafe languages? i.e. C, C++? show me a Modern Desktop OS which is on par with Windows and Linux and isn't in C/C++.

Traditional linux distros doesn't implement verified boot, selinux, strong sandboxing etc

Does an everyday linux user need to know this? Don't assume Linux User = Tech Kiddies, there are people who use Linux as their daily driver.

Verified Boot? I'm assuming you're calling UEFI secure boot? The reason behind you have to disable it due to security and yes I agree but you know OEMs disable it so that unauthorised/harmful/3rd party software can't mess with the boot partition and that 3rd party software will include Linux if the OS shipped by OEM isn't Linux. If it is you'll notice it is enabled.

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Soram

There is none, but Windows uses modern security tools to prevent, to an extent, issues arising from memory safety. Also there is a lot of work going into switching to memory safe languages especially rust and many parts of Windows and Android are already written in memory safe languages like C#, Java etc.

Does everyday Android or Windows user knows or need to know about the security features? No but security features are there. The point of these security features is to minimize attack surface and if the machine ever gets compromised then try to reduce the damage.

Secure boot != Verified boot
Verified boot is a linux security feature but not widely used. It is used to verify the integrity of the whole system and even apps installed not just boot partition. If you want to know more read this whonix.org/wiki/Verified_Boot#Veri...

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Amritpal Singh

Understandable, Have a nice day!

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gronkdaslayer

You're talking about major updates, not regular fixes and whatnot that are usually fairly small.

You can always uninstall what you don't need... /smh
Maybe people should be impressed with the fact that you're using Arch, woohoo!

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KeRawr

Last time i tried to update my win10 laptop it has 3GB+ update. Then next day update again with 4+GB. Everyday win10 keep doing update and it increases until 7.1GB. It really frustrated because i only had 2GB/week as my budget. And had to revert to win7 and no more everyday win10 and force update that ask you to download 10GB+ update.

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shahar

And you are getting a lot of sh** like app you don't need.

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gronkdaslayer

You can't spell newbie correctly, therefore you can't tell how poorly written that post is. Not a dig on the author, who I assume isn't an English native speaker.

Besides the grammar, some things are inaccurate, like how hard it is to put viruses on Linux. That simply isn't true. It's just as easy as for Windows or Mac, but Windows is where the money is.

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corey Bruce

Ahahaha nice lying

In reality Windows is a broken buggy OS with horrible security and bloated updates when meanwhile Linux and it's updates and smaller.

Also you clearly know nothing about security if you think Windows contains good security and a simple script can get passwords off Linux you retard ahahah 😅😂🤣

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Soram

No point in explaining facts to linux cults smh.

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corey Bruce

Ah so your addmiting you have no facts that and making excuses because in reality there is no cult and I only follow facts 😉

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aliasbilly

I disagree, it's the file and partition as well as the permissions that make it so difficult to hack a Linux box, plus tons of dependency problems from one flavor to the next. Take that root password but actually doing much with it that is modular enough to be used is not so easy. Windows NTFS file system should've been scrapped years ago for a better model. It's over 20 years old. Linux was wrapped around a system built with security as primary concern. How many of you guys remember how exploitable Windows NT was. If you polish a turd it's still a turd. Once you deal with the learning curve Ubuntu is way more usable than windows box and you don't spend a fortune on antivirus protection eating up system resources. Also I would be a Ubuntu Desktop running a Windows 10 VM will outbenchmark any Windows Install over a month old.

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gronkdaslayer

Wrong. What does the file system have to do with the difficulty of hacking? Seriously people, read a book. NTFS is actually a really solid file system, but I don't expect you to know that.

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corey Bruce

Solid? Ahaha no it's a shit file system with fragmentions issues but the way the file system and Windows mainly works is the reason the OS is a insecure mess unlike Linux and other Unix based systems

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Soram

See this: madaidans-insecurities.github.io/l...
No, linux was not made with security in mind. I've been researching this security related stuff for over 5 years now and the above article that I linked to well summarizes my findings. Windows security have improved a lot, same with Android (Android != Linux) and MacOS but traditional linux distros haven't improved and incompetent solutions like flatpak, firejail etc aren't enough for reasonably secure desktop. Although there are some good security tools like bubblewrap, selinux, verified boot etc but they're not widely used. Also Ubuntu is just marketing.